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wow! looking good man, what kind of products do you use?
imported_jlineman
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I am kind of new to this, after not doing any of this, for a while, other than waxing the car and ran across the subject of rubbing down your paint with a 50/50 mix of alcohol and water after polishing to remove all the polish oils before applying a glaze or sealant. I am planning on detailing the wife's car, wash to strip everything, clay, polish, glaze and then sealant. I want to polish with Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish ( which claims to have a sealant in it ) and then apply Chemical Guys EZ-Creme Glaze before applying Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant. After I polish do I need to or should I wipe the paint down with Alcohol before applying the glaze?
Appreciate any advice.
Appreciate any advice.
CarbonCrew
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Hopefully the OP doesn't mind, but I'd like to ask a question along the same lines. As alcohol comes in various dilutions, what is recommend? 70%, 90% Iso, with how much water?
never gone
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Couple things. When I do the 50/50 wipe down, it's just while I'm polishing to make sure I've actually corrected the paint and not just masked some of the fine swirls with the oils that are in some polishes. Once done polishing I wash the car and I wouldn't recommend putting the glaze down first because when you use a sealant, most will agree you want it going on fresh clean paint for better bonding and longevity. Once you've sealed the car feel free to lay down a glaze or wax at that point but definitely sealant before glaze. Just in case it wasn't clear, I do a alcohol water mix of 50/50.
imported_firebird
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Alcohol rub down sounds like a back rub which sounds wonderful! Saying alcohol (IPA) wipedown is detailing talk! Interesting thread as I was wondering the exact same thing.
never gone, thanks for your input but interestingly I heard you use the glaze before sealant. Other people have done that process with much success. So now I don't question the IPA wipedown, I question if glaze goes before sealant or sealant before glaze. I too plan to use BF Enhancing polish, EZ creme glaze and then BFWD.
never gone, thanks for your input but interestingly I heard you use the glaze before sealant. Other people have done that process with much success. So now I don't question the IPA wipedown, I question if glaze goes before sealant or sealant before glaze. I too plan to use BF Enhancing polish, EZ creme glaze and then BFWD.
bmw5541
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As long as you use an Acrylic based glaze (like EZCreme Glaze), you will have no problem with the sealant bonding to the glaze. If you put a glaze over the sealant, it will only last until it rains next.
mikenap
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Just a heads up for those that are wanting to use Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish followed by EZ-creme glaze: they are VERY similar products, glazes with cleaners in them. They are both non-abrasive so won't offer any real correction. I don't see any benefit in using both products, the cleaners in one will most likely remove the "glaze" of the other.
imported_firebird
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Thanks mikenap. So I will use Meg mf discs w/D300 and then probably only try ezcreme glaze and then BFWD. That's for the heads up.
imported_glfahlc
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i m no expert but i thought if you have polished to perfection than a glaze isn't needed. however. if ez creme is similar to enhancing polish than this type of glaze would be apropos as a gloss enhancer before bfwd... now in the case of the original question the alchohol is 70% and the dilution ratio is 70/30 not 50/50...
imported_firebird
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Yeah, guess the $ was burnin' a hole in my pocket and had to spend more $ on something I really didn't need! :doh:
imported_glfahlc
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hell i do that all the time...join the club
never gone
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This is true. I was going to mention the only only time I'd lay a glaze down first was if it was Danase Wet Glaze which is an acrylic glaze but I forgot to mention it. Normally glazes can have a lot of oils and or fillers in them so obviously you can't expect to have a sealant bond really well with the paints surface when you're putting it on top of something oily. As was mentioned, an acrylic glaze is the exception yet I'd personally still put the sealant down first.
imported_jlineman
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After I posted my original question I did two things
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#1..I did some research and found an article on the Chemical Guys EZ-Creme Glaze. In short since it is a acrylic glaze the detailer says he has had lots of success putting it on after the polish and before the Blackfire sealant. SO, this concurs with what has already been said by others.
#2...Talked to a rep at ProperAutoCare and asked about the alcohol rub. In short a rule of thumb is...if the polish doesn't have a glaze in it then the alcohol is used to remove any polish oils that were left behind before applying a sealant or glaze. If the polish has a glaze in it then an alcohol rub would remove the glaze put on by the polish, so you would not want to do the alcohol rub.
never gone
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I've never hear of a "glaze" being left behind as a result of polishing. They are generally 2 different things with 2 different purposes. The second thing you said makes no sense at all so whoever told you that mixed up what they were saying or you misunderstood. You said "If the polish has a glaze in it then an alcohol rub would remove the glaze put on by the polish, so you would not want to do the alcohol rub." To me this makes absolutley no sense. The whole point of polishing is to remove scratches and swirls. Glazes are generally used to hide or mask scratches and swirls. The reason you use an alcohol/water mix on the car after each panel is you WANT to remove any polishing oils because you want to make sure you actually got rid of the scratches/swirls and that you're not just filling them in a little because that defeats the whole purpose of polishing. If a polish left a glaze behind and you weren't supposed to do the alcohol wipe down, how would you know if you actually corrected the paint or just camouflaged the scratches/swirls with the glaze?? You'd have to see this is common sense.
mikenap
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I think the confusion is in the product's name. It's not a polish in the manner you're thinking, as in an abrasive polish like M105 or PO85rd. If you read the description of the BF GEP, it is more like a chemical cleaner that leaves a glaze behind. Klasse All-in-One is labeled a polish, but is a chemical cleaner as well. Zaino and Duragloss have products they label as polishes which are actually just sealants. In this case, check out the product description to see what I mean.
http://classic-motoring.stores.yahoo.net/blacglosenpo.html
imported_Auto Concierge
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I will comment on this...... as I took some heat in the past from a select few for using CG EZ Creme for filling. I utilize the IPA mostly on jet black or soft paints where you will run into problems or when the weather gets hot and polishes can act up on certain finishes(Which is really a problem for those of you in humid climates such as the "J". Todd and Bing in Orlando, Bryan in Atlanta and also Dave F in S.Florida, Barry in PA, Marc & Jacob in Detriot ect...
I put distilled water in with the IPA in a squeeze bottle, and use just what I need on a finish microfiber to the paint to confirm the finish is "Good to go", then AFTER everything is corrected I use the Glaze to pop the finish and add some slickness as well and have never had a issue with any LSP bonding or doing funny stuff. :2 cents:
I put distilled water in with the IPA in a squeeze bottle, and use just what I need on a finish microfiber to the paint to confirm the finish is "Good to go", then AFTER everything is corrected I use the Glaze to pop the finish and add some slickness as well and have never had a issue with any LSP bonding or doing funny stuff. :2 cents:
imported_RaskyR1
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Same here!
It's used to check my work only. Once I'm done polishing the car I will wash to remove dust, also giving the wax/sealant and clean surface to bond too. I may or may not use EZ Creme depending on the car/job.
For paint coatings like Opti-Coat/Guard I have been going the extra step and doing an IPA wipe-down (as much as I hate it) just to make sure it's 100% free of oils, as it's critical with coatings.