After some practice, I think i'm getting the hang of rotary...

thank you joyride, rydawg, zet, and others that have given me constructive critisism. I appreciate that, and interesting about going over it again with the PC. I noticed that the rotary is NOT a time-saving tool lol. I worked 12 hours on the paint, about the same time I would have with the PC.

With compounding, will I ever get to the point of being hologram-free after the compound? I'm finding it's getting better and better, with this detail very light holograms, but they were there none-the-less. When I went back over with the FPII in indirect sunlight i found they were easy to take out. Is this a good or bad technique?

Also, the "You are "THE DISASTER"" comment was not appreciated. I'm sure you've made mistakes in the past, so if you could please focus on the solution, not the problem, it'd be greatly appreciated. It's those kind of "flames" that give online forums a bad name.
 
and with the picture of "the disaster", I did spend until 3 a.m. with my PC going over the car again, since I would not have charged him for that, in fact I did tell him if he had any problems with the car, I'd take car of it, even if it meant paying for it.

also, just to clarify, the 3m wetsandpaper was for the touch up painting
 
aside from that, how many times do you guys wax cars? when i was using klasse SG, i would put 2 or 3 coats (had 5 on my car) on during a weekend, then top it with some carnubas. I figured, with carnaubas, put on 2 coats of the hardest wax i have (collonite) and a few topper-coats (pinnacle). Spray some distilled water on it, and then let it sit in the sun to let the wax set up.
 
I think y'all need to lighten up!



#1. The rules ask that members not slam other members (that's my job!).



#2. If you suspect a troll, shill, spammer... please report them and the moderators and I will investigate (again, that is my job!).



#3. What if you're wrong and someone is really being honest (perhaps not going at it the best way, but honest)? What does that say about Autopia members? Looks pretty bad, IMHO.



So, in summary... if you have an issue, please report it and be specific about what you think is a problem. The community leadership will jump on it.



Thanks,

db



P.S., BTW, this thread has been reported several times... and not because of the poster's original thread. Get my drift?
 
so "trolling" for information is bad...??? Are not these forums for people to ask questions and get answers? Someone straighten me out here.
 
I think TH0001 is out of line here, there is no evidence that this guy is trolling, he might have made those mistake and IS looking to get help from people like you, TH0001, because he knows you are the supreme detailer, and you need to bestow upon us your amazing talents :)
 
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different kinds of internet trolls



1. A person who brings life to a tired, dull internet message board by purposeful attempts to start flame wars or Internet drama by posting comments that are patently ****tarded, yet still inflammatory enough to enrage the stupid, irrational and humorless. The moment someone points out that the troll in question was just gunning for a reaction usually results in a fire drill.

2. A person that throws around the troll insult to: anyone who defeats them in an argument, anyone who points out facts the real troll doesn't want people to know, or someone the real troll picks at random to stick falsely with a troll label for sheer lulz. This second type of troll is 98.9999999% of all trolls now and is often called an Anti-troll.

3. A person affiliated with the group Bantown, commonly known for their lulz. GNAA IS DEAD, JEWS KILLED GNAA. Penis Pump are the trolls of the future. A member of /i/,TA, PN, the Marcab Confederacy and other various trolling organizations.

4. A Fat middle aged man or Russian Woman who lives under a bridge

5. A Concerned Mother who does not appreciate how other trolls are treating their little kids who don't belong on the interwebz in the first place.

6. People who edit Encyclopedia Dramatica.

7. Anyone who disagrees with a Wikipedia administrator.

8. Tele-marketer, also known as phone troll, bred to destroy your dinner time for lulz. See Tele-marketers/Phone Trollers

9. The terrible movie that had a sequal (see:Troll 2) that was so bad it was good.



The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. As a verb, "to troll" is probably a corruption of "trawl." Troll is fine as a verb since trawling for comments and flames is innate troll behavior. A "Troll" is a mythical monster that lives under a bridge and surprises people who try and cross the bridge with some bizarre puzzle or challenge that they must complete before crossing. It has been suggested that people who lurk in groups and suddenly enter discussions with unwanted and provocative contributions inspire the same type of fear in law-abiding netizens. More rational people know that Trolls are, in fact, monsters who live under a bridge, probably in Utah, who flocked to the information superhighway after real superhighways were declared obsolete by Al Gore. Bad things happen when trolls meet IRL.



Novice trolls often experience troll's remorse. Such feelings tend to pass once they realize that people who take the Internets seriously enough to get upset by trolling really ought to get over themselves. Once they reach this point, they are said to suffer from Internet troll personality disorder. After long enough, they may even develop Chronic Troll Syndrome.



The best place for a novice to develop trolling skills and get a few easy lulz is Not4chan.



(Note: not to be confused with the gay slang verb "to troll" which means to trawl for sex.)
 
Please understand that when I wrote this, I wasn't trying insult the guy at all. Infact, I believe that this type of post is very much intended to get a reaction.



I was trying to prevent people of autopia to getting riled up by what I think is a very clever post.



I think TH0001 is out of line here, there is no evidence that this guy is trolling, he might have made those mistake and IS looking to get help from people like you, TH0001, because he knows you are the supreme detailer, and you need to bestow upon us your amazing talents
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Nice try. I am not "the supreme detailer" or nor do I claim to "bestow" my "amazing talents". I am an autopian who feels very LUCKY to work on the cars I do, and to be allowed to do so. I have offered to give my advice (whether right or wrong) to any who have asked, and spent long hours on the phone with people I don't know trying to help them out.



The OP did not ask for advice or for help in the orginal post. If I where to offer my advice, it would would be uncalled for (because he didn't ask for any) and make me look like my advice is so important that I can "bestow" (as you called it) it upon people. The problem is that my advice isn't that important, though I am willing to share it when people ask.



The way the thread clearly shows mistakes, but doesn't ask for help is one of the reasons I feel it is written to upset people and get a rise. It is presented as, look at all the mistakes I have done on peoples cars, but I'm getting better (and will continue to practice on clients cars who pay me) would upset a lot of the people here and get a reaction.



Apparently in trying to prevent a reaction I am becomming the center of another one. So I apologize to anybody who thinking I am "picking" on the poster or starting problems. I do not believe this post is real, and is simply trying to get a reaction.
 
TH0001 said:
Please understand that when I wrote this, I wasn't trying insult the guy at all. Infact, I believe that this type of post is very much intended to get a reaction.



I was trying to prevent people of autopia to getting riled up by what I think is a very clever post.







Nice try. I am not "the supreme detailer" or nor do I claim to "bestow" my "amazing talents". I am an autopian who feels very LUCKY to work on the cars I do, and to be allowed to do so. I have offered to give my advice (whether right or wrong) to any who have asked, and spent long hours on the phone with people I don't know trying to help them out.



The OP did not ask for advice or for help in the orginal post. If I where to offer my advice, it would would be uncalled for (because he didn't ask for any) and make me look like my advice is so important that I can "bestow" (as you called it) it upon people. The problem is that my advice isn't that important, though I am willing to share it when people ask.



The way the thread clearly shows mistakes, but doesn't ask for help is one of the reasons I feel it is written to upset people and get a rise. It is presented as, look at all the mistakes I have done on peoples cars, but I'm getting better (and will continue to practice on clients cars who pay me) would upset a lot of the people here and get a reaction.



Apparently in trying to prevent a reaction I am becomming the center of another one. So I apologize to anybody who thinking I am "picking" on the poster or starting problems. I do not believe this post is real, and is simply trying to get a reaction.
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i personally believe that you are taking this too far. id be very surprised if this guy has nothing better to do than disrupt this board with what you seem to think is an ambiguous post. in order to even make such a claim, you would have to provide some kind of motive....neither his post nor yours has given evidence to one yet.
 
The OP seemed genuine to me. Am I naive? The 4th job he got the knack, better than I'll probably do, but definitely believable, especially since he spent a lot of time on it.
 
Harbison215 said:
i personally believe that you are taking this too far. id be very surprised if this guy has nothing better to do than disrupt this board with what you seem to think is an ambiguous post. in order to even make such a claim, you would have to provide some kind of motive....neither his post nor yours has given evidence to one yet.
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I do feel bad that I brought this much "press" to this post. I believe the post was made in good fun but didn't want people to fall for it. Since my advice was asked for, I will give it.



To the OP,



Its good that you are getting better with the rotary. I woudl advice getting some junk panels and stop practicing on your client's cars. Not only is going to make you look bad in the long run (when the holograms appear) but the potenial short term damage (burning through the paint) is great as well.



It is irrespondsible for you to do use this techinque on anybody else's cars then your own until you refine it further.
 
jayjacque said:
The OP seemed genuine to me. Am I naive? The 4th job he got the knack, better than I'll probably do, but definitely believable, especially since he spent a lot of time on it.
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4 times is good, but he shouldn't have touched a paying customers car until he is much better than he is currently, or employ a safer technqiue such as a DA
 
My suggestion would be go work for a car small car dealership and do there cheap speacial cars. That will be the best hands on training there.

If you do damage then they are just junks anyway.
 
The OP definitely has bad technique. Most compounds will leave a bit of haze and will need to be followed by progressively milder products. If a serious compound is used you will need to do 3 steps. Occasionally you can get by with 2. I would never use sandpaper on a ceramic clearcoat. I don't think OHC is the best compound for use on a ceramic clear but it probably will do the least damage by an inexperienced operator. Read, learn, practice.
 
eyesack said:
you're probably right, and i'll keep practicing, although i'm feeling pretty competent now.



*Also, I still don't know *** this trolling stuff is... i'm sure by the sounds of it, that i'm trolling or whatever, but i didn't come here for an internet lingo lesson. I came here to better myself as a detailer. Thanks to all that have given me actual insight, now tell me what to do better next time. And i don't mean ethical flames and whatnot. I'm not stupid, and I do take my hobby very seriously, and i do know the consequences of my actions, both positive and negative.
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Definition of Hobby:

An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure. Hobbies are practiced for interest and enjoyment, rather than financial reward.
 
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Nice try. I am not "the supreme detailer" or nor do I claim to "bestow" my "amazing talents". I am an autopian who feels very LUCKY to work on the cars I do, and to be allowed to do so. I have offered to give my advice (whether right or wrong) to any who have asked, and spent long hours on the phone with people I don't know trying to help them out.



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I wasnt being sarcastic, i do think you are one of the most amazing detailers on this site
 
wannafbody said:
The OP definitely has bad technique. Most compounds will leave a bit of haze and will need to be followed by progressively milder products. If a serious compound is used you will need to do 3 steps. Occasionally you can get by with 2. I would never use sandpaper on a ceramic clearcoat. I don't think OHC is the best compound for use on a ceramic clear but it probably will do the least damage by an inexperienced operator. Read, learn, practice.
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I used optimum compound, not hyper compound; but you're right, I should have followed up with my menz IP first, before going over with FPII. I think it would have saved a lot of time and effort, since going over with FPII multiple times per panel would be wasting product and would have not had as great results as with a full 3 step. Thanks for the critisism guys, and I know with the help of these forums I'll continue to improve!
 
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