Troy-
CG prevents me from buying too much of their stuff as they make so many items it's confusing....e.g. - like these - is there a diff? Like what?
Advice on strippers
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Troy-
CG prevents me from buying too much of their stuff as they make so many items it's confusing....e.g. - like these - is there a diff? Like what?
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
There is a difference. CW&G is the stronger of the two. And CW&C is more of a daily wash.
Citrus Wash & Gloss:
Standard wash: 1/4oz per 1 Gallon
Stripping wash: 1oz per 1 Gallon
Citrus Wash and Clear:
Standard wash: 1/4oz per 1 Gallon
Stripping wash: 2oz per 1 Gallon
Descriptions taken from another site:
Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss is a concentrated washing solution designed to help you clean the paint safely and add more shine to the surface. Mix one half ounce of the solution with 1 - 2 gallons of water when you want to wash your vehicle and not strip off the current layer of protection. If you want to use as a paintwork cleanser to strip off the current layer of protection mix 2 ounces with one gallon of water. The citrus formula helps safely separate and lift contaminants, suspending them in the foam solution. Unlike strong solvents and other harsh chemicals the active cleaning agent is a natural citrus extract, which is 100% biodegradable. The formula also has gloss enhancers that help add more shine to the surface after each wash. This versatile product is sure to be a great addition to any detailer's collection of products. Works great in foam guns and foam cannons too.
The Chemical Guys Citrus Wash and Clear is one of the safest products you can use to strip off the protection (i.e. sealant, wax) from your paint. When used in the concentrated form (2oz per gallon of water) it is a paintwork cleanser that helps clean and prep your paint so you can get the most out of your detail. This process is essential for best results before beginning a full detail. You can further dilute (.5 ounces per gallon of water) the Citrus Wash and Clear so it will not strip off the protection. Without a product like this in your detailing arsenal you are left with limited options to remove old wax and sealant like polishing, washing with harsh soaps, etc. The citrus cleaning agents help safely clean the surface without the risk of drying out the trim or other wise potentially harming the paint. This versatile auto shampoo is a must have for any automotive detailer!
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
I have a question, if it is a wash and gloss, then aren't you putting something right back on the paint. The wash/gloss are a fixed ratio (that is no matter how you dilute it you will have the identical amount of wash to gloss agents in the solution). If it is adding gloss, then it is leaving something on the paint, which would defeat the purpose IMO.
I have tested this product and found that will it temporarily will reduce water beading if left on the paint too long (most soaps do) but I have seen the beading return after a couple of days (likely from drying agents or soap film dissipating). I have also not seen a reduction in shine (quite the opposite I find that this soap produces a very nice shine) or the appearance/reappearance of swirl marks. Other than a temporary effect of the water laying flat after rising how are people determining that it is, in fact, removing the LSP?
For stripping paint I like to use Isopropyl Alcohol cut with varying degrees of water in order to alter the flash time.
Yep, I remember this on TID. What someone pointed out was that on the MSDS, Dawn contains ethanol, that to me shows it should work as a stripper. I did my wife's '02 Accord that had been sealed with BFWD for about 6 months. When a pre-soaked the car you could clearly see the water beading, after I used the Dawn in a foam lance it was clearly removing any sealant the car had. I've always used Dawn, can't beat it for the $.
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
I do agree with you on the added gloss enhancers in CW&G Todd. To me it doesn't make a lot of sense to have added gloss enhancers in a soap that you tout as a LSP stripper. Why would I want to add gloss enhancers if I am trying to strip away my LSP? I would like to see CG re-do the formulas on CW&G and CW&C to swap the strengths around. IMO it would make more sense that way.
My normal LSP stripping procedure is to wash with a strong solution of CW&C and possible some APC if I am trying to take off a sealant; I then clay the entire car in preparation for any correction or new LSP application. My hope and experience is that this process removes all traces of my LSP and leaves me with a clean surface.
On the other had I would like to see someone other than CG have soap dedicated to stripping LSP safely from a vehicle. I don’t know for sure and there have been many debates but I am not convinced that Dawn or any other dish soap is 100% safe for a vehicles finish, rubber, trim, etc… I not trying to start an argument it is just my opinion. I too have used Dawn in a pinch.
As for IPA I to have used and do use IPA, but I also now have some CarPro Eraser to try out. With all of the talk in the last year or so about IPA I am still on the fence about its possible positive or negative factors on a cars finish. Due to my indecision I have chosen to use a stronger soap like CW&C to help strip my LSP and minimize my need or use for IPA. Unfortunately I am not a chemist and so it is taking me quite a bit of time and reading to make what I feel is an informed decision. So I this point I would choose to rather be safe than sorry.
Beemerboy
Just One More Coat
Am I the only one that thinks that after washing using dish soap or not, that a good clay job would clean the old product off, then follow with a paint cleaner?
Or you could use FK1 decontamination kit.
Or you could use FK1 decontamination kit.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
Does Chemical Guys tout this as a paint stripper, or is it some of the users? Its a wonderful soap that does an amazing job at cleaning the paint (maybe it strips the LSP , I don't have as much experience as others with it), but I personally don't see the benefit in using a gloss enhancing shampoo to leave the paint bare, IF the goal is 100% bare paint. Perhaps it removes enough to make the final clean up easier?
I normally wash the paint, clay it (which removes the majority of anything on the paint) then wipe it down with alcohol afterwards to remove any residue from the clay lubricant.
RootsRadical
New member
Important distinction: CG offers a "Citrus Wash" that is advertised as "Ultra concentrated paintwork cleaning shampoo designed to strip off protection to start fresh...Powerful concentrated formula only requires 1oz of product per gallon of water to effectively remove layers of protection".
They also offer a "Citrus Wash & Gloss" product which I have never tried. It is advertised as "One of our best selling shampoos, lots of foam, great lubricity, strong cleaning power and versatile...Can be used in high concentration to strip off previous coats of protection or diluted as a maintenance shampoo".
I would imagine that the Wash & Gloss, if used at a lower concentration, does not act as a stripper and may have the benefit of added gloss. But used at a higher concentration, I can see how the 2 features would contradict one another.
-J
P.S. I did not find that the Citrus Wash was effective as a stripper using 1 oz. to 1 gallon of water. In fact, I used much more than that (probably between 3 and 4 oz. per gallon) and found it to be barely as effective as Dawn dishsoap for stripping wax/sealant. But you know what they say about opinions...
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
The bottles of CW&G and CW&C that I have have the Dilution Ratios given for both a normal and an LSP stripping wash. I would be interested to see the labels on the bottles that ACC and AG have as I know that CG will modify the labels for the vendors. So it is possible that my labels are based on the vendor’s desire.
I totally agree like I stated above.
CW&G:
CW&C:
There also is a Chemical Guys Citrus Wash but it is only listed on a vendor site and not on the actual CG website as available.
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