Additional Forum For Pro Detailers

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I hope this is not seen as spam. If it is, I apologize. It is operated by a nonprofit group in an attempt to foster education, enlightenment and professionalism in this profession.



Professional Detailers Forum



One does not need to join the National Association of Professional Detailers & Reconditionong (NAPDR) in order to participate in the Forum.



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Jim
 
There is something out there that is much better. It's still in development, doesn't cost anything and provides you with much more.
 
Yes I checked this organization out, still sitting on the fence about it......will wait and see how it will benefit me. Still looks to be a NOB site and organzation.....is that true?
 
I've got something going on, but I don't want to spam the board with this.

You can check my website under my profile, or if the mods approve I can just post it here.
 
Well, gosh, it looks and sounds very promising. I certainly have some interest in anything that promotes our image of professionalism.



There is something out there that is much better. It's still in development, doesn't cost anything and provides you with much more.

12-21-07 03:20
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It is not time to decide 'better' and 'more'. An open mind is a valuable tool. Let's all just take our time and evaluate the changing community. The January NAPDR meeting in Clearwater might be a big step forward, so we can all go slow and see what's right for us.



Jim
 
Please feel free to contact me anytime, if you or anyone has any questions.

We have only just begun, so there are tons of possibilities. I have tons of ideas that I think can really help from a business perspective.

You can sign up if you just want a free email address and place to put your home page.



We have been getting free product samples to test and evaluate. I don't want to post everything we have going on, but I feel it will offer what detailers want and need.



There are a few members that post here quite often. If they chime in, I'm sure you can get an opinion from them.



This is something I really feel that this industry needs, but it has to be done right. Feel free to evaluate both organizations. There are no restrictions either way. The main goal is to create an accurate identity for the detailers already doing business, and to educate anyone else interested in becoming a pro, or furthering their skills.
 
boogiejoe said:
I've got something going on, but I don't want to spam the board with this.

You can check my website under my profile, or if the mods approve I can just post it here.
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I don't see anything under your profile?
 
What constitutes a ‘professional’?



"Anyone can call themselves a pro. What matters is that your work is of a high quality and that it can stand up against any criticisms. We don’t have a stuffy panel that you have to submit your work in order to join. We choose a few random members to evaluate your results, and if possible send a local member out to verify everything. You will not be scrutinized based upon how you work, where your work, or anything besides your results. We are looking for detailers that really know how to detail. A professional detailer is a detailer that can provide the desired results through knowledge and experience."





(please take this as constructive criticism as I like the idea you have going)

First, I think only those who do this full time can call themselves professionals.....

Second, who's to say those who evaluate hold the highest standards?? I don't know of many detailers who hold to the standards I hold my detailing too so how would they qualify?



I only work by hand, do I qualify?



"It is your results, not your methods......"



I also disagree with this statement as it's too easy for some to use glazes and hide things and for detailers like myself to put 10 hours into a car correcting and making it perfect with no fillers and to be considered as on the same level as the one's who use glazes to cover up...



Josh
 
JoshVette said:
What constitutes a ‘professional’?



"Anyone can call themselves a pro. What matters is that your work is of a high quality and that it can stand up against any criticisms. We don’t have a stuffy panel that you have to submit your work in order to join. We choose a few random members to evaluate your results, and if possible send a local member out to verify everything. You will not be scrutinized based upon how you work, where your work, or anything besides your results. We are looking for detailers that really know how to detail. A professional detailer is a detailer that can provide the desired results through knowledge and experience."





(please take this as constructive criticism as I like the idea you have going)

First, I think only those who do this full time can call themselves professionals.....

Second, who's to say those who evaluate hold the highest standards?? I don't know of many detailers who hold to the standards I hold my detailing too so how would they qualify?



I only work by hand, do I qualify?



"It is your results, not your methods......"



I also disagree with this statement as it's too easy for some to use glazes and hide things and for detailers like myself to put 10 hours into a car correcting and making it perfect with no fillers and to be considered as on the same level as the one's who use glazes to cover up...



Josh
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There are tons of people who do this full time and their work is crap, are they still professionals?



It does state that you should be able to do an ISO wipe down. However, this is the internet, people lie and alter photos. Thats why I dont care much for pictures, you can tell if someone knows what they're doing by the advice they give.
 
Second, who's to say those who evaluate hold the highest standards?? I don't know of many detailers who hold to the standards I hold my detailing too so how would they qualify?
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Agree with Josh completely. I know a lot of pros that would be amazing at thier skills if they wiped the surface with prep-sol, for example. My standards are probably amongst the highest, and I would question anybody who tries to judge my work, since my standards are higher then theirs.



I also disagree with this statement as it's too easy for some to use glazes and hide things and for detailers like myself to put 10 hours into a car correcting and making it perfect with no fillers and to be considered as on the same level as the one's who use glazes to cover up...
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Agree on this account as well...
 
JoshVette said:
First, I think only those who do this full time can call themselves professionals.....
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Sorry, but I totally disagree with this point. Whether you do this full time or not has nothing to do with your ability to be considered a Professional Detailer. I think I've put enough years into this profession (full time) to be discredited because I'm now somewhat retired. I guarantee if I took the Professional Detailer's exam, I'd score in the top percentile.
 
I believe to have more knowledge is to better ones business and with different oranizations forming, it should stand to better all professionals, helping the industry as a whole, I feel this is the goal of the PDA and I feel that many on this forum and other can add and benifit from it as I hope to.
 
TH0001 said:
Agree with Josh completely. I know a lot of pros that would be amazing at thier skills if they wiped the surface with prep-sol, for example. My standards are probably amongst the highest, and I would question anybody who tries to judge my work, since my standards are higher then theirs.







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I agree with the doctored photos and using fillers point. We are planning on making sure that doesn't happen by having someone local check out the work.



As for the judging, why do you post your pictures? You do incredible work and it shows. Am I qualified to really scrutinize your work? Most likely not. Would you be qualified to rate someone else, most likely. Just because you are farther above the acceptable threshold does not deem you separate from the rest. I don't think you get much, if any negative impressions from your customers and peers. I am completely blown away by your work. Any judging is not up to any single person. Many people who post here are already qualified - that's the reason behind organizing. To gain the credibility and exposure worthy of your results. You may be completly satisfied with your career and may want to help other detailers along. If you don't that's fine too. I do think that your situation is unique. You are one of the best of the best. That doesn't mean that there aren't many guys here that are professionals. This forum is not a typlical slice of our society. We are all enthusiasts or pros and the scale from top to bottom may be wide, but it's still far above the average hack that you are competing against. Usually only the pros can recognize the hacks.
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
There are tons of people who do this full time and their work is crap, are they still professionals?



It does state that you should be able to do an ISO wipe down. However, this is the internet, people lie and alter photos. Thats why I dont care much for pictures, you can tell if someone knows what they're doing by the advice they give.
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We are trying to form a group that is in the best interest of the pros. Our rules are not written in concrete. That's why we want more members. I don't have a teachers' edition. The rules and policies are decided by the members first and foremost.



There is a big difference in the terms 'full time' and 'professional' don't confuse the two.

Full time, is pretty self explanatory, but professional is really open to interpretation. This should be defined by the members, and examined on a regular basis so it doesn't slip to mean something completely different.
 
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