AcrylicWerks Test Car #2

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Sorry David, I just responded to one of the participants request. Hopefully this will allow a few to base their responses on some working knowledge. Oh, by the way I ran into a 13 year old Dark Red Honda with swirls, faded trim, bumpers and mirrors. I took pictures and should have them posted by Friday. Good luck to all.



Mark G.
 
In 2000 I began using Acrylic-Wërks on my 1957 Jaguar and at that time it was heavily oxidized. I had tried everything including Blue Coral “Onestep Touchlessâ€� which I had seen on TV. The Blue Corel I had to remove because it looked as if someone had shellacked my car with a paint brush and it looked hideous. When I began applying Acrylic-Wërks, oxidized paint was pulled off the surface with a slight (ever so slight) shine coming up. The more I applied the polish, the more the shine and deepness of the red appeared. For a quick before and after result of this polish, click on the link below which will direct you to my gallery.

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When I purchased my 2000 Ford Taurus in 2000 I began using Acrylic-Wërks. Nothing else touched the paint. When I sold the car 4 months ago, the buyer thought the car had been repainted because there was not a single swirl or any other mark on the surface. It wasn’t until I showed him the nicks on the hood and front grill section that he realized the finish was original.



The Jaguar will eventually be totally restored but until then, she will be continually polished with Acrylic-Wërks.
 
You’re talking about a few years back and I don’t really know how important it is now however I had paste wax, liquid wax, rubbing compound, stuff that this person said was good, stuff that another said was better; you know – everyone has their favorite product. Back then who ever heard of Autopia or any other web based community bulletin board or information forum such as what you have here which could have made a difference. Brand names!? During my several years of owning cars I always had a few of the more common (popular) brands rotating through my garage such as Turtle Wax, Mothers, Meguires, to mention just a few. Ain’t 20/20 hind site great?



Now I sold my 2000 Taurus because I had found an incredible deal on a 2000 Mercedes C230 Kompressor. I am now in the process of applying Acrylic-Wërks to her and again I am just as impressed with the results I am getting. Not as dramatic of course as I had with the Jag but nonetheless most noticeable.
 

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I've got a few quick questions for ya. Why in your before & after pictures your wheels changed from painted, to chrome. Top and interior changed, but yet in your avatar the color of the top, wheels and interior are identical to the "before" picture?



Oh, the tires are different too.
 
The wheels I could not polish up because they were spokes and in rough shape. I had them sandblasted then powder coated. They turned out great! The photo which shows the top down has the same top as in the photo with the top up only the top is covered with the white tonneau which came with the car. The interior has never changed with the exception of seat covers added in order to make it more comfortable to drive and to hide the cracked leather seats.



I placed this pic in my avatar because, since this is what the Jag looked like brand new, this is where I want to restore it to. You see, this car was purchased by my cousin in 1957 and this is what she looked like back then. Peter passed his Jag on to me for safe keeping in his will and I am committed to eventually restoring her back to this condition. She was an absolute beauty then and so will she be again.



The old whitewall tires were just about rotten so I purchased new tires (black sidewalls). When the car is restored it will include black sidewall radials along with brand new chrome wheels rather then painted.
 
An update to all:



I will pick up my new camera tomorrow and if it is not raining I'll wash down the hood of the black Chevy truck and snap a few more pictures. I am not sure how much sun there will be but I will do my best to get two very similar shots of the two test panels PLUS if I am feeling extra energetic, I'll do another side by side demo on the rear quarter panels.



As for the biswartz Jag, and I mean no offense by this, but I have seen a different picture of the Jag at a different angle and it was not so flattering. These pics are not the close up. I will admit there is a much better shine to the paint than the BEFORE pic. The AW is not able to level the paint of the Jag because a hand or an orbital cannot generate enough heat to do so.



Anthony
 
Anthony,



No offense taken Anthony; not only are you absolutely correct but you bring up an outstanding and very important point. Up close the paint is not smooth and everyone will understand that since the paint is so very very old. As a matter of fact, remember me revealing how often I was told the Jag should be re-painted? And you saw why up close correct? Great, now the point should be, and the focus on, your very good observation – no matter the condition of the surface (smooth or rough) AW, as you call it, re-establishes a shine that is long lasting. So what does that tell me? On painted surfaces with far less damaged surfaces than the Jag, this AW product protects the surface from breaking down into this condition. And guess what? If I am able to bring out a shine on such an old degraded and heavily oxidized paint surface such as is in the Jaguar’s case, then one can easily imagine what it will do on a more restorable and smooth painted surface such as those you have been working on. This is the exact point I wish to render Anthony. Nothing short of stripping the Jag down to bare metal and re-painting her will provide that smooth show-room finish. Which I have never claimed Anthony.



Now, I hope I have put that one to bed forever Anthony. Again what is the point? To show how, from a user’s (an ordinary car owner’s) point of view, this product has been able to do what so many professionals continue say can’t be done. As a matter of fact I just gave another one of my own personal bottles to someone who came over to dinner last night. His wife just repainted her 1997 Mustang (black and beautiful) and wanted to use it on her car because he saw what it did not only to the Jag, but to the hood of my Mercedes. It blew him away. He also saw swirl marks on one half of the hood and none on the other. I have only worked on half of the hood so far. The stuff you call AW is just simply amazing Anthony and you have seen proof yourself. So no, there is no offense taken.
 
Anthony Orosco said:




As for the biswartz Jag, and I mean no offense by this, but I have seen a different picture of the Jag at a different angle and it was not so flattering. These pics are not the close up. I will admit there is a much better shine to the paint than the BEFORE pic. The AW is not able to level the paint of the Jag because a hand or an orbital cannot generate enough heat to do so.



Anthony



Any chance you mean this pic ?



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;)



Glad to be of service.
 
Hey bis,



My point is on "leveling". AW, as I call it, can put a shine to the paint but it CANNOT level the paint. Take a close look at the Chevy truck pictures in this thread that I posted and will update, weather permitting, tomorrow. You can see that the AW side, while it provided a shine, it did not or could not level the paint. I will demonstrate more of this tomorrow.



I would like to draw everyones attention to the post Mark posted soon after my test and the results. He gave me instructions on how to get better results from the AW and I will follow his advice tomorrow but I would then ask how come these instructions are not on the bottle??



Anthony
 
Smoker,



Yep that's it!



I am guessing that a proper wetsanding and then a careful polishing and bufing would bring back that finish to a much better state. The paint would be thinner of course but alot of that dullness would be much glossier. There is "shine" and then there is "gloss" and "depth". The above picture shows "shine" but no gloss and depth.



Anthony
 
Thank you Smoker for proving my point so well! This pic show two things, first of all I used a terrible digital camera and I apologize for that, but more importantly, look at the roughness of the surface and then look at the reflection of the shop lamp. Is there a shine? Yep! There it is. And hey, you can even see reflection of the bumper coming off the paint as well. Great shot Smoker, thanks.



This is again the paint job every detailer told me they would not touch and as well they shouldn’t have. It just goes to show that the point here is, and I will repeat it as many times as necessary, that it is all about how Acrylic-Wërks is capable of working on just about any surface I have seen. If the surface is smooth, you will get just the most outstanding results. Now am I trying to take something away from detailers? Nope, as a matter of fact those of you out there who are reputable, and provide customers great service, bring an invaluable service. All I am doing is focusing on the incredible capability you see even in the photo you placed on your reply Smoker. Oh by the way, it would be much better if you could have scaled the picture down just a tad. It took my system a long time to load the picture up. I live out in Timbuktu where we use turtles to link to the internet, and they have to swim the Potomac first.



So in closing, in respect to my Jag’s finish, no one has ever claimed this product would turn a silk purse from a sow’s ear, it just makes the sow’s ear a little more enjoyable to look at. Get the point? Now had I taken a picture of my Taurus before selling it Smoker, you would really be eating your words.



Here is another angle of the Jag - Enjoy.........
 

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Anthony,



I sure wish I had you and Smoker close to me when I first went around looking for local detailers. Perhaps I can send someone from here to you to tutor then we will have good detailers down here in S. MD. Again that is why I like this forum. As far as detailed instructions on the bottle of Acrylic-Wërks; common guys there is not enough surface area to put all the details on the bottle but hey, maybe a set of instructions can be placed in the packaging. Not a bad idea there Anthony. I hope Mark sees this one.
 
Acrlic-werks=not impressed :down



id rather take a couple hours and compound and level the paint and then zaino my car for flawless results than use a shady one step product. sorry but thats how most of us feel here. maybe if we were lazy and didnt have common sense we would buy this product :nixweiss
 
First of all Diggs, a 40+ year old oxidized paint job with paint so thin (such as areas of the trunk) that primer is showing through just simply cannot be compounded and leveled. This has been covered over and over again. Lazy you say? Please excuse me for saying this, but how in the world can you have missed the point which has been made so often less one is so lazy as not to read everything written. This is incredible, I come out with details and pictures of my own experience and experience from others I have met and all you can do is come out with some sort of quip jibe based on NO personal experience of your own on this product? And this is how, as you say, most of you feel? Feel? Since when are professionals suppose to feel? I am an analyst and researcher by trade and I don’t feel when I write minutiae on weapon systems, I dig into information and get precise facts before stating my case. So before you continue throwing around your feelings Diggs get down and dirty and dig up some facts. And I cannot believe other professionals accept your talking on their behalf. I am sure they have tons more common sense than to make such an ignorant statement. Just to make sure you understand, ignorant only means not having facts, being unaware and it also means being rude, it does not mean to be stupid so don’t even go there.



This forum is for cool, calm and educated people to pass along good solid substantiated information and facts Diggs. Customers with exotic and expensive cars look for detailers who are educated, open minded and well experienced – nothing else will do! And they are the ones who will spend large amounts of money for you to detail their cars. Are you willing to jeopardize that? Get the facts Diggs and put your feelings aside.
 
biswartz, Have you actually tried using any better products or compounding/leveling your paint on the Jag? What else have you used in attempting to revive the paint? Also if anyone would be interested in selling me a small sample of AW I am interested in trying this stuff. Please PM me.



Thanks,

Matt
 
biswartz said:
First of all Diggs, a 40+ year old oxidized paint job with paint so thin (such as areas of the trunk) that primer is showing through just simply cannot be compounded and leveled. This has been covered over and over again. Lazy you say? Please excuse me for saying this, but how in the world can you have missed the point which has been made so often less one is so lazy as not to read everything written. This is incredible, I come out with details and pictures of my own experience and experience from others I have met and all you can do is come out with some sort of quip jibe based on NO personal experience of your own on this product? And this is how, as you say, most of you feel? Feel? Since when are professionals suppose to feel? I am an analyst and researcher by trade and I don’t feel when I write minutiae on weapon systems, I dig into information and get precise facts before stating my case. So before you continue throwing around your feelings Diggs get down and dirty and dig up some facts. And I cannot believe other professionals accept your talking on their behalf. I am sure they have tons more common sense than to make such an ignorant statement. Just to make sure you understand, ignorant only means not having facts, being unaware and it also means being rude, it does not mean to be stupid so don’t even go there.



This forum is for cool, calm and educated people to pass along good solid substantiated information and facts Diggs. Customers with exotic and expensive cars look for detailers who are educated, open minded and well experienced – nothing else will do! And they are the ones who will spend large amounts of money for you to detail their cars. Are you willing to jeopardize that? Get the facts Diggs and put your feelings aside.



first off my post had nothing to do with you or your rides otherwise it would have been in quotes. second you sound like awmarks personal partner and marketer. i have spent over 500 dollars this summer on tools and products to find an adaquate system for detailing cars and im almost there. and yes i think i can speak for most of the board cause if you have read most of the posts on this thread they feel the same way. after looking at anthonys results im not impressed. if awmark is saying we need to follow his 10 steps or whatever steps and do all this extra stuff then the product isnt as easy as he says it is. bottom line is after reading every single post on this thread and seein anthonys results and lookin forward for more i can justify my post. if u dont like it too bad cause thats my opinion and in the united states and on this board i can voice my opinion. have any questions? :usa
 
Diggs,



The instructions are not directed to a professional craftsmen like yourself rather they are intended more for the average person like me. Oh and guess what? I have discovered detailers are able to adapt this product with their application process – not replace their entire arsenal of products.



Now that we have that settled, I will not spend hundreds of dollars for tools because that is not my business. I personally was only looking for a product that would work for me as an average car owner, not a detailer. And I found one. If it had been any other product I would be doing the same thing with that product. Hey, I bet you too have your favorite product.



You just might have stumbled onto something there Diggs; maybe I should go into business with Mark – Hmm, that would be quite a money maker with the results I have “personally� seen. You have only seen a few picks from Anthony and Mark and you have not seen it in person. Sorry, all claims and opinions are not worth a plug nickel if they are not backed up with experience. But hey, you can voice your opinion as much as you want.



“I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.� Author, Bethania McKenstry,



Respectfully,

Bruce
 
This thread has gotten way out of hand. The last post was deleted due to inappropriate language and personal attacks. Strike one to the poster! Keep it civil... keep it clean.
 
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