acrylic sealant on DA orbital prepared finish - more cobwebs?

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imported_thecarguy

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I have read David's and others' articles about the perfect shine. David uses a DA Orbital which he and others indicate don't remove all swirl marks but hide the ones they can't remove.



He and others also indicate in other articles that acrylic sealants are liely to show swirl amrks not removed in the prep stage.



How can you have the perfect shine with an acrylic sealant if you have lots of swirls use a DA Orbital buffer?



I am new to all this and probably missing something in my research so I ask with all sincerity and not trying to refute the experts.
 
There are many polishes available for use with a DA that will remove a significant amount of swirls. Menzerna IP, Poorboy's SSR 2.5 or 3, and others. Acrylic sealants generally give a more "sterile" look and don't have the filling ability of some carnaubas or glazes topped with nubas. I like Klasse SG, but also the look of a carnauba. What I do is apply a couple layers of SG, then top with my preferred LSP. Then you get the best of both worlds.
 
Some newbie questions first:

What are "nubas"?



What is LSP?



I thought Klasse was an acrylic, does is have "fill-in" capabilities?



How near perfect do I need to get the surface before applying Klasse?



When surface prep is complete, do I use Klasse All In One first, followed by Klasse SG or go straight to SG?



Thanks!
 
LSP = Last Step Product. Your final wax or whatever you put on.



Klasse Sealant Glaze is indeed acrylic. Before applying Klasse SG I would clay, then polish, then prepare the surface with Klasse All In One, then apply however many coats of KSG you want. So yes, AIO comes first, then SG. Then you can top with almost anything you wish. I use Meguiar's NXT on top of my KSG layers. As far as application goes I would use a machine to do the AIO, but apply the SG by hand with a moistened microfiber applicator.



Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think acrylics have much filling capability.



Do a search on here, there is TONS of info on the Klasse twins as they are affectionately known.
 
IMO folks oughta be careful about using absolutes like "perfect" ;) But since words like that are gonna be employed, maybe we ought not take the term "perfect shine" literally. Most people don't get/keep painted surfaces absolutely perfect with regard to marring, so taking it literally isn't realistic in most cases. It becomes a matter of degree and everybody will have their own definition of what's perfect in this context (which is sorta just a given person's version of "good enough"). In all fairness, I wouldn't expect anybody who's talking about how to get a car looking good to call it "the pretty decent from three feet away shine", so IMO a little borderline hyperbole just kinda goes with the territory.



"'Nubas" are carnauba-based, natural waxes. Sealants are basically synthetic "waxes".



No, most sealants don't hide/fill and can make existing defects very visible. Though I hear the 4-Star Pro sealant does a pretty good job of hiding such stuff.



FWIW, I don't use the Klasse twins on vehicles unless I can get them at least *nearly* perfect. In most cases there will be a few RIDS (Random Isolated Deep Scratches) that are too deep to be safely removed. A few of those won't really detract from the vehicle's overall appearance and so it's safe to use a sealant like KSG. But if you have a vehicle that's all scratched/swirled/marred up, and for whatever reason you're not gonna remove said marring, then the sealant approach probably won't conceal as many imperfections as a glaze/wax approach.
 
A few classic glaze/wax combos (time tested) are:



3M IHG/Blitz Wax; One Grand Omega Glaze/Blitz; Meg's Pure Polish (#3/#5/#7/#81/Deep Crystal Step #2)/#26.



The IHG, Omega, and the #3/#5/#7/#81/Deep Crystal Step #2 are all glazes.
 
PITA to remove the IHG is

Yet again accummulator you come up with superb post

The perfect shine - well it's something that I think we will never find
 
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