A pic for anyone that doesn't know what orange peel is

White95Max

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This thread is mostly for reference purposes. When somebody asks about orange peel, they can be referenced to this thread to see what it looks like.

This will also come up in searches.





OrangePeel.bmp




Notice the wavy reflection of the house in the reflection. The waves are caused by an uneven clearcoat referred to as orange peel. Without orange peel, the reflections would be very sharp.





Holy cr*p my wheel gap looks enormous! :eek:



**EDIT: See page 3 for a great example of orange peel. **
 
Interesting point made by Mike Pennington @ the AZ Meguiar's Detailing Clinic on Saturday. According to him, auto manufacturers have admitted to "using" orange peel to hide slight irregularities in the surface of the metal which are a part of the manufacturing process.



Has anyone else ever heard this? :nixweiss
 
crobinso said:
What causes this? Improper application? Wear?



Charles



Bad paint job. If your lucky the orange peel effect is in the top of the clear coat, if not then it's in the colour under the clear and your stuck with it.



You have to be very lucky to get a new car without it at all.



Greg
 
Orange peel is getting more and more common since car manufacturers have switched to water-based paint.

It is a lot thinner, and runs easily. Although the robots are applying extremely thin coats, they will begin JUST to run, and then they stabilize. You can see the little waves where the paint started to run and then hardened. NO flash curing! Gravity pulls the paint down from the mainly vertical panels. Therefore OP is far less present on the horizontal surfaces. Mazda tried a good method for eliminating OP in the early 90s with the rotation spray & bake process. The whole body was suspended onto a special sleigh, which rotated the body in the paint booth and in the oven. It was applied on the upscale Xedos 6 & 9 models (Millenia), and was pretty good. For today, it is too expensive.



True, the panels of the common models are not that perfect, therefore the inconsistent surface of the orange peel hides some irregularities. Lexus has the most perfect presses and panel uniformity in the industry, followed by the newer Acuras/Hondas. Germans are mediocre at best (big, inconsistent panel gaps & fitting) while others can vary a lot.



According to my experience, Toyota paint is quite good, while Nissan is a cost-cutter (read: usually bad). Lighter Hondas are good, darker ones can be really crappy; and all are sensitive.

FoMoCo paint is pretty good (except trucks), especially on Mazdas, Volvos and Land Rover. The Korean cars and Renaults have usually too thin clear coats which results in a kind of cheapo matte finish. The crappiest paints come from Opel, VW and Ferrari (mica & pearl). I have never seen uglier factory paint than on a bordeaux 612 Scaglietti, I recently tested. I will send that pic, but it is on my laptop in the office. I had a test Passat with absolutely NO clear on the left corner of the trunklid! Even the flakes were so inconsistent, that you could see the basecoat between them...

DaimlerChrysler is trying to solve the OP with CeramiClear and powder clear (on the A-Class), but even that method has plenty. I had only 3 testers from Chrysler in the last two years. Two of them was decent, while a Sebring was inacceptably horrible. And of course, the Italians! Fiat, Alfa & Lancia is never good enough but you can see one or two Maseratis, single stage Ferraris with no OP whatsoever... Pure luck!



On the Shows, that shows!!! Usually the show cars in Geneva or in Frankfurt have only one coat of something (usually AutoGlym or Sonax, etc.) and squirts of QD for removing fingerprints. No more. The lights are doing the trick. Even with that, lotsa carz are pretty-s#itty...
 
I see the pic but I can hardly make out the Orange Peel:nixweiss

My monitor is not that good but Ive seen better(or should I say worse) examples recently. That pic looks good:xyxthumbs
 
The orange peel was much easier to see when I had it in a larger size.

You could always save the picture and open it larger.
 
Bence said:
Orange peel is getting more and more common since car manufacturers have switched to water-based paint.

It is a lot thinner, and runs easily. Although the robots are applying extremely thin coats, they will begin JUST to run, and then they stabilize. You can see the little waves where the paint started to run and then hardened. NO flash curing! Gravity pulls the paint down from the mainly vertical panels. Therefore OP is far less present on the horizontal surfaces. Mazda tried a good method for eliminating OP in the early 90s with the rotation spray & bake process. The whole body was suspended onto a special sleigh, which rotated the body in the paint booth and in the oven. It was applied on the upscale Xedos 6 & 9 models (Millenia), and was pretty good. For today, it is too expensive.



True, the panels of the common models are not that perfect, therefore the inconsistent surface of the orange peel hides some irregularities. Lexus has the most perfect presses and panel uniformity in the industry, followed by the newer Acuras/Hondas. Germans are mediocre at best (big, inconsistent panel gaps & fitting) while others can vary a lot.



According to my experience, Toyota paint is quite good, while Nissan is a cost-cutter (read: usually bad). Lighter Hondas are good, darker ones can be really crappy; and all are sensitive.

FoMoCo paint is pretty good (except trucks), especially on Mazdas, Volvos and Land Rover. The Korean cars and Renaults have usually too thin clear coats which results in a kind of cheapo matte finish. The crappiest paints come from Opel, VW and Ferrari (mica & pearl). I have never seen uglier factory paint than on a bordeaux 612 Scaglietti, I recently tested. I will send that pic, but it is on my laptop in the office. I had a test Passat with absolutely NO clear on the left corner of the trunklid! Even the flakes were so inconsistent, that you could see the basecoat between them...

DaimlerChrysler is trying to solve the OP with CeramiClear and powder clear (on the A-Class), but even that method has plenty. I had only 3 testers from Chrysler in the last two years. Two of them was decent, while a Sebring was inacceptably horrible. And of course, the Italians! Fiat, Alfa & Lancia is never good enough but you can see one or two Maseratis, single stage Ferraris with no OP whatsoever... Pure luck!



On the Shows, that shows!!! Usually the show cars in Geneva or in Frankfurt have only one coat of something (usually AutoGlym or Sonax, etc.) and squirts of QD for removing fingerprints. No more. The lights are doing the trick. Even with that, lotsa carz are pretty-s#itty...



Hey Bence - last time at my dealership I was looking at a silver Passat that was sold and prepped to go home and a silver Pheaton. Both were inside the service station so lighting was perfect to find imperfections. The pain job on the passat was excellent while the Pheaton's was simply terrible.
 
Heh, I will have to get a picture of my 04 nissan sentra se-r spec-v for you then. It has the DEFINITION of orange peel. Does that mean that my cars paint job is doomed to fail in the near future? It is REALLY wavy on the vert panels but clear on the roof and hood.

Is orange peel a sign of clearcoat failure?
 
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