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just finished searching for some info on towel serging and would like to know if anyones come up with other ideas to keep edges from fraying.Do local cleaners do this type work(serging)and if not who is the cheapest?I know lots of you are true MT users whats the best deal for quality on these?Thanks alot!
 
I doubt that any cleaners would do serging. You can try a clothing alterations shop, they might be able to do it, but I am not sure.

For Miralce Towels, the best deal you are going to find is YoSteve. Check his website out at www.yosteve.com
 
if you have access to a sewing machine, you can seal the edges yourself and not have any fraying. Just buy 100% cotton thread, be careful you don't buy polyester thread that is coated with cotton. Fold over the exposed edges about 1/4" and seal with a tight zig zag stitch. You'll spend about 2.00 on the cotton thread, a few hours on the sewing machine, and you will have all the different sized towels you want. I have washed mine quite a few times and have not had any problems with edges fraying.

If you want further instructions or pics of what the edges look like, email me at [email protected].
 
I have been reading around trying to educate myself further before I start putting a protective layer on fresh paint.
My gut feeling here tells me that I want to apply a paint sealant,prolly two coats with an overnight or longer rest between coats.
Here is an issue that bothers me,with most product lines ,alot if not most have polishes.I dont feel myself that brand new paint needs polishing if the clear coat is pristine of foreign matter,like clay baring to test for junk.Now,its quite possible to polish the clear coat to a slicker finish,but at the cost of a micro layer of the clear coat.
Now ,here is a question I would like to debate,or let me rephrase that, learn more about.If I apply two layers of paint seasant,then is it possible to get more shine out of a hand (light pressure) polish on top of that sealant? after all it would be polishing the sealant actually.Now ,to head off a reply,sum one will say ,polish first and then apply the sealant.I do not wish to polish for the first step,my goal is to protect and shine.
I think in the early going ,I wish to apply a sealant followed by a spray sealant or possibly a spray wax after each shampoo.
I know after reading the threads,sum folks feel that waxing is not for them,because of longevity reasons ,sum are just staying in the polymer families and using sealants.
This may be lively,and I hope it is with replies.....I am in learn mode with a brand new car,please voice opinions....:smile:

:driving:
 
The obvious answer is "it depends". For example, if you use a sealant such as Mothers or Meguire's then top it with a quality carnauba wax, the wax will change the final appearance, but whether or not the change is "better" is subjective.

I have been using Black Fire Wet Diamond (two coats) as my base and it is very slick, very reflective - looks great on a white car. Topped with a quality carnauba wax does two things: reduces the slickness slightly and softens to appearence a bit - not as nice on white but great on moonlit blue (very dark blue).

For greatest slickness, the BFWD (two coats) with no topping can not be surpassed in my book.

Regards,
GEWB
 
RED JEWELL SS said:
Now ,here is a question I would like to debate,or let me rephrase that, learn more about.If I apply two layers of paint seasant,then is it possible to get more shine out of a hand (light pressure) polish on top of that sealant?
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Nope....

The polish will probably just remove the sealant.....
 
RED JEWELL SS said:
I have been reading around trying to educate myself further before I start putting a protective layer on fresh paint.
My gut feeling here tells me that I want to apply a paint sealant,prolly two coats with an overnight or longer rest between coats.
Here is an issue that bothers me,with most product lines ,alot if not most have polishes.I dont feel myself that brand new paint needs polishing if the clear coat is pristine of foreign matter,like clay baring to test for junk.Now,its quite possible to polish the clear coat to a slicker finish,but at the cost of a micro layer of the clear coat.
Now ,here is a question I would like to debate,or let me rephrase that, learn more about.If I apply two layers of paint seasant,then is it possible to get more shine out of a hand (light pressure) polish on top of that sealant? after all it would be polishing the sealant actually.Now ,to head off a reply,sum one will say ,polish first and then apply the sealant.I do not wish to polish for the first step,my goal is to protect and shine.
I think in the early going ,I wish to apply a sealant followed by a spray sealant or possibly a spray wax after each shampoo.
I know after reading the threads,sum folks feel that waxing is not for them,because of longevity reasons ,sum are just staying in the polymer families and using sealants.
This may be lively,and I hope it is with replies.....I am in learn mode with a brand new car,please voice opinions....:smile:

:driving:
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One thing to keep in mind, wax isn't permanent. In other words... experiment.

Your car, being new, may not need polishing. You'd be surprised by the number of "new" cars that do need some help in the paint dept. to really "bring the bling." If you've noticed the threads in the "Show and Shine" section here... every one of those cars probably looks better than they did than when they were new.

A sealant like BFWD is always a great idea no matter what you do. After the sealant's on your car, try waxing just the hood or a quarter panel and see if you like the look. Live with it a few days like this... if you like the wax, do the rest of the car; if not... just remove it.
My daily driver has 4 different kinds of wax (in different places... not over each other:wink: ), over two coats of BFWD, on it right now (I'm doing some tests) and one quarter panel with just sealant. I can remove all the wax anytime I want and then go with the one I feel like living with for awhile.

I like the way wax "warms up" some finishes. On other finishes, going with sealant alone really looks best.

It's all subjective, you can't hurt anything... try some stuff out!:)
 
bmw5541 said:
Why not just use a cleaner wax? That should do just what you are looking for.
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I want to keep a paint sealant on top of the c/c...,I may experiment with a wax over it since this car will remain in the garage unless I am out enjoying the hell out of it......:biggrin:
 
Here is a great kit for what you want to use on your ride RED JEWELL SS.......




Give this one a shot, your love it for sure..............:wizard:
 
zoomzoom mazda5 said:
Here is a great kit for what you want to use on your ride RED JEWELL SS.......




Give this one a shot, your love it for sure..............:wizard:
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Actually I have been strongly considering those products . I do have a question though about Poly Charger.Its my understanding that this product is normally an additive to help curing time and is supposed to be added in batches and has a short mixed life....how come it is incorporated in the product if its supposed to be mixed in small quantities.
I s this a similar situation that Zaino has with the ZFX,whereas the product is actually an excellerant ?
 
i'm a couple of hours north of you in illinois. i bought a new car in september (dubbed "the beast" by my son) and was where you are now. i read the forums here and a few others and came up with the "plan." i went with menzerna 1 step acrylic jacket and topped it with p21s carnauba. i used both menzerna hi gloss shield and blackfire deep gloss to freshen up the "slick and shine" after a wash. just got back from 3 extended trips over all three major holidays (5500 total miles). this weekend i detailed the interior, and used ONR (great product by the way) to wash the "beast" after running it through the local touchless wash to remove the salt and road crud. i gave it a spritz with the menzerna hi gloss shield and it looks great especially since i dressed the wheels as well. i was impressed how easily the rims cleaned just in the car wash (? the wheel wax i applied). this spring with the first warm weekend, i'm gonna give the beast a clay job and try my hand with the porter cable on my wife and I's daily drivers. i've bought a bunch of detailing products after reading these forums, and you can't go wrong with any of them. i think so far with my experiences, all these products do the job and the hard part is for you to do decide which one looks the best to your eye!
 
pmdureska said:
i'm a couple of hours north of you in illinois. i bought a new car in september (dubbed "the beast" by my son) and was where you are now. i read the forums here and a few others and came up with the "plan." i went with menzerna 1 step acrylic jacket and topped it with p21s carnauba. i used both menzerna hi gloss shield and blackfire deep gloss to freshen up the "slick and shine" after a wash. just got back from 3 extended trips over all three major holidays (5500 total miles). this weekend i detailed the interior, and used ONR (great product by the way) to wash the "beast" after running it through the local touchless wash to remove the salt and road crud. i gave it a spritz with the menzerna hi gloss shield and it looks great especially since i dressed the wheels as well. i was impressed how easily the rims cleaned just in the car wash (? the wheel wax i applied). this spring with the first warm weekend, i'm gonna give the beast a clay job and try my hand with the porter cable on my wife and I's daily drivers. i've bought a bunch of detailing products after reading these forums, and you can't go wrong with any of them. i think so far with my experiences, all these products do the job and the hard part is for you to do decide which one looks the best to your eye!
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Thanks for the reply buddy, Thats funny about the wifes car and your work beater...yeah,thats the way to learn how to use a buffing wheel,not on a new car.I have a Black 94 Cobra in storage right now and a 93 150 Lightning as well, I can play with them a little very carefully to teach myself how to use the P/C , I do need to get up to speed with it as you can repair minor damage with them...or even major with the right pad.
Where in the area are you ?
 
RED JEWELL SS said:
Actually I have been strongly considering those products . I do have a question though about Poly Charger.Its my understanding that this product is normally an additive to help curing time and is supposed to be added in batches and has a short mixed life....how come it is incorporated in the product if its supposed to be mixed in small quantities.
I s this a similar situation that Zaino has with the ZFX,whereas the product is actually an excellerant ?
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Polycharger is a polymer additive for liquid waxes, sealants, and detailing sprays. No matter how good a liquid wax or sealant is by itself, Polycharger makes it last longer, improves its protective qualities and enhances the shine.

Also Polycharger is really a catalyzing agent, similar to ZFX. It enhances the way that most polymers bond to the paint. Blackfire has a pre dosed amount of Polycharger. True be told, more is better (to a point) for performance, but because it is a catalyzer, too much can cause the product to cure, even in the bottle.

Blackkfire Wet Diamond has the maximal amount of Polycharger allowed in the formula that will not effect shelf life. The formula and amount was perfected by the Polycharger company and we noticed a huge improvement in durability right off the bat. We are not above adding cutting edge ingredients to our products and proudly putting their sticker on them if we can improve the performance measurably.

You can get even more benefit by adding additional Polycharger to the formula.

Hope this helps out RED.............
 
zoomzoom mazda5 said:
Polycharger is a polymer additive for liquid waxes, sealants, and detailing sprays. No matter how good a liquid wax or sealant is by itself, Polycharger makes it last longer, improves its protective qualities and enhances the shine.

Also Polycharger is really a catalyzing agent, similar to ZFX. It enhances the way that most polymers bond to the paint. Blackfire has a pre dosed amount of Polycharger. True be told, more is better (to a point) for performance, but because it is a catalyzer, too much can cause the product to cure, even in the bottle.

Blackkfire Wet Diamond has the maximal amount of Polycharger allowed in the formula that will not effect shelf life. The formula and amount was perfected by the Polycharger company and we noticed a huge improvement in durability right off the bat. We are not above adding cutting edge ingredients to our products and proudly putting their sticker on them if we can improve the performance measurably.

You can get even more benefit by adding additional Polycharger to the formula.

Hope this helps out RED.............
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Ok,so you answere the question I would have asked...can you add additional....and its yes. Thanx ! :)
 
I hope I don't miss anything and hope I help.

The layer provided by most sealants and waxes is very thin. How thin? Sub micron, so much that it is typically measured by devices that record the differences in light refraction. We are talking .00000001 of an inch type thin.

Also, there is some debate on whether or not waxes/sealants can be layered in terms of building a thicker coverage. The main benefit of adding additional coats (of the same product) is that while you may get a slightly thicker coating, you get more even coverage. With Blackfire Wet Diamond, you will get a slightly thicker build with two coats, but past that you are wasting product.

As far as adding a wax on top of a sealant, this is a great idea in most cases, provided that: a) the sealant itself will work with a wax and b) the solvents in the wax don't strip the sealant.

Blackfire Wet Ice over Fire is designed, from the ground up, to offer the best benefits of both the sealant (Wet Diamond) and the topper of wax (Midnight Sun). The wax was designed to stick over the slick, high tension finish of Wet Diamond. For best results apply two coats of the sealant, give it time to cure, then apply the wax on top. Anymore is wasted product.

The reason that polishing isn't done after applying a sealant or wax is two fold. First, they are pretty level to begin with, so polishing wouldn't make them noticably flatter/smoother. Second, even with 2 coats of each, you still have a very thin layer. The abrasive material (and the application of that material) in the polish would remove the wax or sealant very quickly.

Polishing is best done to the paint itself in order to create smoother, more reflective paint.

As far as Polycharger... It is a catalyst. If you add too much it will cause the polymers to react very quickly, which even in a bottle, will reduce shelf life. Blackfire was reformulated by our chemist to work with Polycharger and the amount added is very small and perfectly measured. If we 'boosted' it further we would run the risk of a shortened shelf life. In fact you can add more Polycharger to Wet Diamond (in a separate mixing container) prior to application and get even better results. However the super boosted formula would only have a shelf life of a couple of days.

I hope I helped!

Todd
 
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