'91 Cadillac vs. My Mazda MPV

Accumulator

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Short story long as opposed to long story short :o



Driving home from an outing with the dogs, I was stopped in traffic just over the crest of a hill. Precipitous drop-off to my right, oncoming traffic to my left, about ten feet behind the car in front of me.



I saw a white Cadillac in the rearview, closing at speed, and I just *knew* it wasn't gonna stop in time. Nowhere to go on either side, and I decided that the impact was likely to be severe enough that I shouldn't try moving up to give more stopping distance. Told the dogs to "hold on" (they know that means something's gonna happen) and I prepared for impact as per the Security Driver's Training I took last October, with my foot firmly on the brake and the wheels pointed perfectly straight, my arms and neck firm but not locked, etc.



Counted it down "5..4..3.." watched the Caddy's nose dip, could almost hear the ABS cycle...it hit me as I counted "2". The impact was not hard enough to drive me into the car ahead of me, but did push me enough that I was glad I hadn't moved up.



I pulled up to where I could get out of traffic and ascertained that the dogs were OK. I got out and ascertained that the elderly woman who hit me was also OK and I told her not to worry, I wasn't injured. She made a prayer-like gesture about everyone being OK and got back in her car. I called it in.



While I was describing the situation to the 911 operator, she *drove off*! I was able to memorize her plate and related this information to the operator. Then I waited for the (very nice, female) Highway Patrol officer to arrive in her new Crown Vic P-71.



I told the trooper that yeah, I was positive about the make/model/plate/driver ID/etc. They were able to figure out who the driver was and (eventually) contact her at home. I said it was OK with me if they didn't write her up for the "leaving the scene" if she'd come back. She agreed to do so. I took the dogs home and returned to the scene.



While waiting for the woman's return, I cleaned the windshield of the otherwise *very* clean Crown Vic, to the amusement of the lady trooper :D



When the woman returned in her (quite smashed up) Cadillac, I ID'ed both her and the car and waited around while the trooper wrote her up.



So now I gotta get the MPV's rear hatch, rear bumper cover, and gas tank replaced. Think I'll have the holes on the new hatch welded up for a "decked"/debadged look.



Should I have stopped further back than I did, to give enough room to pull up out of the way? Perhaps, but I was already farther back than anybody else in the line of traffic. Still, I was the driver and it was my job to handle the situation...note to self: gotta leave more distance....
 
Wow....quite a story. Glad it wasn't too bad...I'm not sure what you mean at the end; you should have left more room in front of you, so that when she started braking you could have pulled up and out of her way?



What did this lady think with the driving away? That she wouldn't be found? I stopped at an accident once, to check out the people, get the police there...and one of the drivers disappeared before the police got there...she left the car...the cop asked me where the other driver was and I looked around and :nixweiss . I presume they found her.
 
Glad to hear you and the dogs are ok. I'd be more worried about the dogs before the car/other person. I guess I just value pets that way.







Accumulator said:


While waiting for the woman's return, I cleaned the windshield of the otherwise *very* clean Crown Vic, to the amusement of the lady trooper :D




:rofl
 
Should I have stopped further back than I did, to give enough room to pull up out of the way?



With the amount of rational thinking you did regarding the accident and "seeing" it happen before it actually did, I'd say you took the proper course of action. Sorry to hear about the event, but it's great that both you and the doggies made it out okay:up
 
:shocked Wow, glad everyone's ok all the way around (minus the car). That's the most imprtant thing. It was nice of you to be so lenient with the woman. I guess its easier in the long run and does no good to be vindictive. Hopefully she'll learn.



At least you saw it coming had a chance to prepare.



Good luck with the repairs :up



Let me guess, Griot's glass cleaner in the little 4 oz. bottle? :lol
 
:shocked :shocked :shocked



I am so happy everyone, including the dogs, is ok. I'm astonished and deeply admire how you were still in the spirits to clean the cop car windshield :bow :2thumbs: If that isn't an ultimate Autopian, then there's no such thing as one!



I hope all goes well with repair and you'll have the chance again to scrutinize the body shop's paint job :D
 
Yeah, the dogs were my primary concern. The younger one travels in a sturdy crate so I knew she'd be OK, but the older one I let out of the van for a good examination. Heh heh, I think he kept the gawkers at bay (he wan't in a very good mood ;) ).



Spilchy- With any *other* of our vehicles it would've been the 4 oz. Griot's, but I had a can of Zep-40 in the van. Good guess though :D



Setec Astronomy said:
I'm not sure what you mean at the end; you should have left more room in front of you, so that when she started braking you could have pulled up and out of her way?



What did this lady think with the driving away?



Yeah, I meant that with a *LOT* of room between me and the car ahead I might've been able to pull up more. But then I would've been closer to *her* when she crested the hill so :nixweiss I'd flashed my brakelights by taking my foot off/on quickly, but she didn't brake until a while after that anyhow.



This makes twice this has happened to me and once to my wife. Every time, we see it coming, try to find an "out", and end up just sitting there thinking we coulda/woulda/shoulda done something differently.



What she was thinking = "not much". She seemed like a stereotypically befuddled elderly person. But as the trooper said, it was sorta hard to tell if she was putting on an act or what. She told the trooper that I'd said she could leave the scene, but we both just :rolleyes: about that. She'd also said (to the cops on the phone) that she wan't sure she'd been driving on that road, but then she made it back to the scene just fine after they warned that they'd come arrest her.
 
Glad to hear you guys made it out ok. What that old lady did really would have got me going! Sometimes elderly people should stay off the road. I was on the LIE going home today and was going about 70 or so in the left lane. To my knowledge the left lane should be for fast going people correct? So an older lady in a beat up Civic was talking on the phone and doing 70 in the left lane which pretty much matched the speed of the cars in the right lane. She had amble space in front of her, like no visible car in sight. I flashed her my highs while she was covering the entire lane due to talkin on the cell and not really paying attention. I waited and waited, drove behind her for like 10 miles due to the HOV lane on the left side which in unlawful to cross into because of the double white solid lines, and the cars were pretty much blocking me from cutting her off in the middle lane. So I tailgate her for a few good miles. Sometimes as close as 2-3 feet. I know its BAD, given my car has under 1500 miles on it. She just didn't get it. Finally the left HOV lanes opens up (like an entry point) so I glide to the left and open up my car. In a matter of seconds my Tribute goes from 70 to 95. I zip past her and flip her the bird. She gives me a bewildered loook and I flide past her and every behind me seems to be following me. I may be speeding but I am pretty sure everyone deals with moron's like these on the road.



Which brings me to another question, The Mazda badging on the rear of my hatch. The Mazda on the passenger side and the Tribute on the driver side, are these glued to the paint or are they like holed into the paint. I want to remove them.



Again, glad you made it out ok,

Jason
 
JasonC8301 said:
Glad to hear you guys made it out ok. What that old lady did really would have got me going!



Heh heh, well, it would've really got *me* going 25 years ago too, and I don't even have the "Corps mindset" :D It's kinda weird how I just don't get riled about the sorta stuff that used to drive me nuts. Even when I wrecked the S8, I was over it in a few minutes. You know, the old "[stuff] happens, learn from it and get over it" thing- guess I've finally taken it to heart.



Which brings me to another question, The Mazda badging on the rear of my hatch. The Mazda on the passenger side and the Tribute on the driver side, are these glued to the paint or are they like holed into the paint. I want to remove them.



I really dunno, but if they're like the MPV (probably pretty likely, IMO), then they're holed and pinned. When I first got the MPV, as soon as I did the ABC, I wanted to pull 'em off. Well, I did, but I had to put them back on. They were all pinned :(



If there's any way to pull the inner hatch panel out, you might be able to see the back/inside of the hatch and see if there are any pins sticking through. But I'd be pretty surprised if they build your hatch differently than the ones on the minivans.



I'm still debating whether I should have the holes on the new hatch welded up...it's gonna be a lot more obvious that it's been "experienced" if I do that, which might hurt me if/when I trade it in. But I sure don't blame you for wanting to take your emblems off. Not only looks cleaner but it's a lot easier to detail. Sure am glad the Audis trunk badges were all glued!
 
Gald to hear that you and the dogs are alright. Very cool thinking under pressure/stress. I have been in almost the exact same situation and it drove me nuts to be able to see the rear end coming and not be able to do anything about it. The drivers face as he realized that he was going to rear end me was priceless I think that he almost bent the steering wheel pulling on it to get more leverage on the brake pedal.
 
Sullybob said:
Very cool thinking under pressure/stress...



Thanks, I owe it all to adrenal stress conditioning :bow :bow I can't say enough about how it can alter/improve how one goes through life. Between RMCAT and the class I took at Beaverun I pretty much just take care of business whereas before I would have been stressing out/freezing/making mistakes. Probably saved my (and my wife's) life during the "deer incident".



And yeah, I was watching the other driver do everything wrong...
 
Accumulator, It goes without saying that I'm glad that you and your canine family members were left *relativley* unscathed in the accident. Unfortunately not so for the MPV :(



Originally posted by Accumulator

Should I have stopped further back than I did, to give enough room to pull up out of the way? Perhaps, but I was already farther back than anybody else in the line of traffic. Still, I was the driver and it was my job to handle the situation...note to self: gotta leave more distance....



I have not doubt that you made the right decision in the situation. :up Any time spent second guessing your actions is neither necessary or productive (IMO of course ;) )
 
true blue blood- Well, she was definitely on the right side of "cute" ;)



Mr. Clean said:
.. Any time spent second guessing your actions is neither necessary or productive..



Yeah, I generally agree, though I always like to sorta "debrief" myself to see if I was egregiously careless about anything. Had I not done the "note to self: leave more room" back in '95 when my M3 got rear-ended, I might not've been as far back as I was this time ;) Had she hit anybody *else* in that line of traffic it would've been quite a chain-reaction.



Sigh...sometimes you really *are* a victim of circumstances, much as I hate to admit it.
 
Well atleast you and the dogs are alright, thats all you can hope for sometimes is has nothing to do with luck but just a victim of circumstance. It would have been better if you got out, looked at the damge and been like that sh** will buff out. Pulled out a generator, your PC and went to town. Cops like excuse me sir and your like give me a minute and step outta my light:p !
 
Originally posted by Accumulator

Yeah, I generally agree, though I always like to sorta "debrief" myself to see if I was egregiously careless about anything.


Will the person (there couldn't possibly be more than one) who would describe you are your actions as careless (much less egregiously so) please raise you hands...........I see no hands raised. :D



Originally posted by Accumulator

Sigh...sometimes you really *are* a victim of circumstances, much as I hate to admit it.



:) Yes, men like us do hate to admit that we can't/don't control every aspect of our earthly lives...but we don't. But I do suspect (with a great deal of certainty:)) that you are the first one to step up and take full personal responsibility :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs (This as documented by your musings as to what you could have done to prevent her mistake)



Accumulator, I only wish circustances were that I could meet you in person and hang out for a while to talk.....You 'da man
 
Glad to hear you and the dogs are alright.



What kind of dogs do you have? We just got back from a week in Gulf Shores on the beach and left our dogs at the doggie hotel. I'm not sure if I've ever seen my kids happier than today when we picked up the dogs.
 
TureBlueBlood- Heh heh, well, this one wasn't gonna buff right out :D I did have to resist the temptation to brush the broken headlight bits off the rear bumper until the trooper had snapped some pics.



Mr. Clean- Yeah, you and I are often on the same wavelength :) I find the whole "reasonable acceptance of responsibility" approach can often make the difference between having an interesting story to tell (and perhaps a lesson learned) and having a messed up life ;)



Had the dogs or I been injured, it wouldn't *really* have mattered *who* was at fault, and this is the third time that my wife or I have been rear-ended in a significant way. Every time something like this happens, we try to learn from it.



SamIam- We have Beaucerons, a French herding breed that basically looks like a three-way cross between a Rottweiler, a German Shepherd, and a Doberman (or in the case of Anders, the older one, maybe a Doberman and a Pit Bull). He's about 94 lbs. and Psyche, the younger female, is around 75. They're both very well trained and Anders is a true "canine bodyguard", an absolute professional who's still great around children and the elderly and other "good guys". I take my dogs much more seriously than my cars, if that tells you anything ;)



Heh heh, I bet your *dogs* were glad to have everyone back together too! Hope you had a good vacation.
 
I know a little about Beaucerons, I've always thought they were great looking dogs and wanted to find out more about them. I've had a Dobie and a German Shepherd. In fact about 2 years ago we lost our Shepherd, and her playmate, a Belgian Tervuren is now 12 years old and I'd been looking for a new family member. The thought another shepherd was too much like looking for another Sasha (my shepherd's name), so I looked at Beucerons, Bouviers, and another Belgian. Beucies are rare, though I found a breeder out west. My wife liked the Bouvier. And of course, we love our Belgian, Jazz. So what did we do? We inherited a Lab mix from my mother in law when she couldn't keep the 8 week old pup she got. She's half poodle and looks alot like a Bouvier.



And yes, the dogs were happy to have everyone together again. By the way, the beach was great and we had a blast.
 
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