9 Wax Test

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I'm sure most of you (who are members in both forums) have seen it, but for those who haven't... instead of reposting the entire thing here, I'll just give the link.



The Great 9 Wax Shoot Out! - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online



So far, the most disappointing wax has been Victoria Wax Concours Red but Klasse SG is also a bit of a disappointment as well.



I tried to get a "Dodo juice" donation for the test and I tried to solicit for some other lsp's, but I think I got a pretty good variety.



I plan to do weekly updates and test longevity (for at least two months or three) and see what happens with each.
 
Good writeup.



The Klasse Sealant Glaze will not bond to the oils in the M80.



KSG needs to go on top of Klasse all-in-one or clean paint for it to bond.
 
Something maybe wrong with the wax. Could you send it to me for sampling. It should have worked very well for your test. David
 
mongo said:
Good writeup.



The Klasse Sealant Glaze will not bond to the oils in the M80.



KSG needs to go on top of Klasse all-in-one or clean paint for it to bond.
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Thanks, to be honest, I didn't know if I would have these issues so if you read one of the early posts (talking about my methodology) you'll see that I washed and dried after M80.



I'm not sure that would cure the bonding issue you speak of, but I was trying to get as "clean" and fair of a paint surface as I could.



If you go back to the MOL forum and re-read the thread now, I've amended my views on how Klasse felt. It was supplied to me from a Autopia member (lecchilo) and it is his favorite product so maybe he can address the issues of it's quality or send you sample (the only reason I don't want to is because he sent me 4oz and I want to use it to do a 50/50 comparison with NXT 2.0 on a door or other part of the car).



lecchilo (Ivan), do you have any reason to believe something was wrong with the product?
 
wannafbody said:
Probably the same bonding issue with the Surf City Nano Seal.
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Well, I'm going to post more pics (and findings) tomorrow, but I'll tell you something else which happened when I put on second coats (this morning), the SC Barrier Reef went on perfect, whereas the Nano Seal had the same effect as last night.



Again, not sure about the bonding issue (I'm not that sophisticated about these things), but I did try to prepare as clean and even a surface for all products as I was most interested in getting an honest result.



I still have a good amount of Klasse SG, Poorboy's EX-P & Collinite 845, so be on the lookout for different tests comparing them to NXT 2.0, Meg's Gold Class, Meg's Cleaner Wax, some Nano Wax and something in the Mother's line up.



Although it is a lot of work, it really is a lot of fun. In any event, look for more pics, more results and weekly durability updates (and hopefully some video showing long term beading and sheeting of water).



Just to remind everyone, this is my wife's outside parked, daily use vehicle, so it will be exposed to everything the Northeast can offer at this time of year.
 
David Wyllie said:
Something maybe wrong with the wax. Could you send it to me for sampling. It should have worked very well for your test. David
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See above. I got it from lecchilo, under normal circumstances I would be willing to send you some but I want use it for other tests (unless you only need a tiny amount... I could hook you up with a few drops). LOL



BTW, for those of you who use this product... I noticed it did something that nothing else did. When I put is on a brand new cotton applicator pad, it "beads" on top of the pad, like water beading on the paint. Is that normal?
 
If I may be so bold as to suggest there might be a critical flaw in this test; the use of M80 before any of the waxes/sealants were applied. Glazes contain oils which could have a dramatic effect on the performance of pure synthetic sealants (without cleaning properties).



Sealants were meant to be used on perfectly clean paint. Paint with a glaze will have oils imparted on the surface; meaning the paint is not truly "clean". This could be why NXT was at the top of the test; it's cleaning properties removed the oil from the glazed surface. Second place is a pure wax, whose bonding properties would not be affected by glaze.



I'm afraid that this possible flaw in the methodology will skew results and render the entire test invalid. Well, not invalid for the natural waxes.



With regards to the "appearance test", I believe the judges used were not really suited for this test. So I'm not at all surprised they couldn't tell a difference.



All products used are fairly well respected brands. The differences in appearance will be subtle. Differences the lay man or woman will not be able to discern. I liken it to asking 5 people who don't drink wine to pick their favorite $100 bottle of wine in a taste test. They haven't had the experience of tasting hundreds of wines in many price categories to discern the nuances of one bottle from another.



I might bet that they would have been able to tell the difference between Turtle Wax and Collinite. Just how the most novice steak eater would be able to differentiate Sizzler from Peter Luger. But Peter Luger from Harris? Again, you'd need a real seasoned afficianado.



My two suggestions:



1) Apply all waxes and sealants to freshly cleaned and polished paint. No glazes.



2) Assemble a "blue ribbon" panel of detailing enthusiasts whose eyes have been finely tuned to the subtleties among LSPs.



I certainly appreciate the idea of the test, and the time and energy spent on it. Your heart was in the right place.



:aww:



beau, Autopia class of '98.
 
Could it be true? I suppose, but is what you wrote necessarily correct, I don't think so and here is why.



Two factors:



1. I washed the hood after M80.



2. How many pro detailers use M80? Hundreds maybe thousands, maybe more, right? What do they do after using M80? Does every pro who uses M80, only use NXT 2.0 as an LSP?



As for the "appearance test", I completely disagree.



There is NOBODY better than a lay person with NO stake in the outcome other than to see, "what looks better", and that is the whole point of it. It is not to look at the paint in some nuanced way but simply to offer "what looked better".



I've been doing this for 18 years and I can tell you that I *might* have seen a small difference with NXT and PB's Natty's Blue looking the best, but I also am likely to have been influenced since I knew the products (although admitedly I am NOT a fan of PB's product, so I don't see the benefit to anyone of not being completely honest). That said, even though my eye may have seen one thing, 5 regular people all saw it the same. (It was also done in the evening and now, in the morning, I can attest that there is NO different in the appearance).



Also, I come from a family who is in the meat business, so I KNOW your meat analogy to be wrong, from practice. Right now, in my freezer I have a box of USDA Dry Aged Prime Beef (dry aged by my brother-in-law who is one of the biggest purveyors of beef in North America).



I regularly give "lay people" a taste of his product vs. super market stuff. I have NEVER, not ONCE had a lay person pick super market beef over Dry Aged Prime.



PS - I go to Luger's at least once a month for a reason. ;)
 
You misread the steak analogy. You're actually agreeing with what I wrote. I said that the non-steak afficiando would be able to tell the difference between Sizzler and Peter Luger. But probably not between Peter Luger and Harris. Harris is a steak house here in San Francisco and is on Wine Spectator's top 10 steak house list.



NXT is a 2 in 1 product. 2 in 1 products, and carnauba waxes wouldn't have a problem with a glazed surface.
 
beau said:
NXT is a 2 in 1 product. 2 in 1 products, and carnauba waxes wouldn't have a problem with a glazed surface.
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What do you mean by 2 in 1 product?



I assume you are suggesting to "mild cleaners", right?



In any event, I have pretty good amounts of Klasse SG, Poorboy's World EX-P and Collinite 845, so I'm going to do some 50/50 tests with NXT 2.0 on door panels and other parts of the car to see how they might differ.
 
BTW, Collinite 845 is really starting to stand out (along with the NXT) in all areas. If you read my updates, you'll see what I found after 2nd applications.



One person replied that I can expect the Collinite to be around for months and months, so we'll see if that really pans out.



Before getting it sent to me, I didn't know that it was so inexpensive either. If it lasts, as some say it does, it is certainly a product I would recommend to anyone.
 
As for KAIO I've seen claims of as little as two weeks durability. Since you washed after polishing bonding shouldn't be an issue.
 
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Something maybe wrong with the wax. Could you send it to me for sampling. It should have worked very well for your test. David



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See above. I got it from lecchilo, under normal circumstances I would be willing to send you some but I want use it for other tests (unless you only need a tiny amount... I could hook you up with a few drops). LOL



BTW, for those of you who use this product... I noticed it did something that nothing else did. When I put is on a brand new cotton applicator pad, it "beads" on top of the pad, like water beading on the paint. Is that normal?



Hi User Name, some how I missed reading your original 9 Wax Test on another forum. There I signed up and posted a reply regarding a solution for persons who may not have access to simple instructions or 'Best Results' sheets. The reply is as follows and is a response to your request from anyone to explain why.



I am sorry for not seeing this request before now. I can tell from what you have explained that you did not see the simple instructions that came attached to the jar of wax and also did not see the 'For Best Results' sheet that accompanies each wax we send out. For myself, I would not want to or even have the time to wax a car's finish the way you have explained. Victoria Concours Wax has a slight learning curve which is very simple to overcome. You can request the information by e-mail from us direct or any of the Dealers and Distributors that carry the product.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've EVER heard of people using Klasse Sealant Glaze without Klasse All-In-One underneath it.



Isn't SG specifically designed to be used over AIO?
 
Flashtime said:
Such a large discrepancy in price and perceived quality. Makes you wonder...
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On such a small test panel? Of course it does. Even on large flat panels I'm hard pressed to tell the difference.
 
User Name said:
..I washed and dried after M80...
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*How* did you wash? The stuff #80 leaves behind is, IME, a little more durable than some glazes/"pure polishes" and if you didn't get it all off it could have compromised the adhesion of the sealants. FWIW the only "synthetic LSP" that I've used over #80 is NXT, othewise I use carnaubas. While I wouldn't expect any problems with a Meguiar's LSP, I dunno about other syntetics, especially KSG :think:



When I've gone over surfaces polished with #80 using paint cleaner/all-in-one type products I've sometimes been surprised by how much stuff #80 had left on the panels; they looked/felt very different after the paint cleaning.



So I think the #80, even followed by a normal wash, just happened to be a bit of a wildcard. I bet a solvent wipedown or the use of a paint cleaner/AIO *might've* led to different results.



FWIW I'm never all that impressed with KSG unless it's layered (at least four applications), whereupon I *am* quite impressed with it. But the look isn't always to my liking, depends on the paint.



Inzane said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've EVER heard of people using Klasse Sealant Glaze without Klasse All-In-One underneath it.



Isn't SG specifically designed to be used over AIO?
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I too never use KSG without first using KAIO, but AFAIK it's supposedly OK to use it on bare, *but clean* paint (insert definition of "clean" here :nixweiss)



 
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