5 Star Shine vs Xzilon???

Mosca said:
Well,



I'm an F&I Manager at a car dealership, and I'll tell you that the product is immaterial, and it could be Souveran, or 5-Star, or Klasse, or Orange Juice. The value is in the warranty, but the game is played in such a way that the customer never wins.



Here's the deal.



You are in the office, and you're excited about your new car, and you want to protect it, and it only costs another $8/mo. So you do it. And all you have to do to keep the lifetime warranty is bring the car back for a checkup once a year.



Uh, how many people do you think remember to come back for the checkup?



NONE. NEVER. NEVER ONCE. NO ONE HAS EVER. As soon as the customer hits the door, he forgets about the paint sealant.



Now, I don't offer paint sealant, so don't jump on me, please! But, we do actually use a paint sealant on our cars on the lot; we use a product mentioned by the original poster, ResistAll, which is a generic aminofunctional silicone polymer that has high resistance to acid rain. We are in coal country, and a lot of people here burn coal for heat, and we get a lot of acid rain and snow. We don't charge for the stuff, though, and we don't warrant it. We do it for us. The appearance isn't all that great, but it gives us several months of protection.





Tom
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Tom, give me a call. I'm the CEO of the company that makes ResistAll. I don't think you're seeing all the picture, and I'd like the chance to offer you another perspective. This other perspective would point out quite a number of corrections to some of the misguided assumptions found on these threads about auto dealer applied product. I'd be happy to talk with you. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



Sorry, commercial contact information is against the spam rules. -Moderators
 
Rick Chalk said:
Tom, give me a call. I'm the CEO of the company that makes ResistAll. I don't think you're seeing all the picture, and I'd like the chance to offer you another perspective. This other perspective would point out quite a number of corrections to some of the misguided assumptions found on these threads about auto dealer applied product. I'd be happy to talk with you. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Wow. Way to violate forum rules by spamming your contact information in your post. :nomore:



...and no misguided assumptions on dealer applied product. I've seen how bad the dealers around here are at just a wash, let alone a detail. Rotary hologams, burned paint, etc.
 
Scottwax said:
Wow. Way to violate forum rules by spamming your contact information in your post. :nomore:



...and no misguided assumptions on dealer applied product. I've seen how bad the dealers around here are at just a wash, let alone a detail. Rotary hologams, burned paint, etc.
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not only that he brought back a thread almost three years old to spam his contact info
 
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This spamming company has no business here or on any other car enthusiast community. They ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.



I urge everyone to point them out where ever you see them as spammers of the worst kind.



Thanks!

db
 
Those pics are very nice though to be honest they all have had excellent machine prep done

The sealant is really just a top coat and it's unlikely to improve any finish unless it's rotary applied and even then the lift would be minimal.

The durability of the best sealants are one year just and that's the time I repolish



As long as they last eight to twelve months and with the help of some QD/spray seal, it's repolish time anyway.



No matter how careful you are, after three years of leaving any coating on, the swirls would be real bad by then.



I'll always give any brand of PP a go but I'd never buy a new car and pay for dealer stuff

They are in it for profit and would never pay good money for the best sealant they can find. It's not viable

So they use the cheapest stuff they can get.



The only pics I like are the ones with the sun reflecting on the paint like mine or those indoor halogen shots showing the defects



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Good on ya david. Spammers go away
 
Mosca said:
Well,



I'm an F&I Manager at a car dealership, and I'll tell you that the product is immaterial, and it could be Souveran, or 5-Star, or Klasse, or Orange Juice. The value is in the warranty, but the game is played in such a way that the customer never wins.



Here's the deal.



You are in the office, and you're excited about your new car, and you want to protect it, and it only costs another $8/mo. So you do it. And all you have to do to keep the lifetime warranty is bring the car back for a checkup once a year.



Uh, how many people do you think remember to come back for the checkup?



NONE. NEVER. NEVER ONCE. NO ONE HAS EVER. As soon as the customer hits the door, he forgets about the paint sealant.



Now, I don't offer paint sealant, so don't jump on me, please! But, we do actually use a paint sealant on our cars on the lot; we use a product mentioned by the original poster, ResistAll, which is a generic aminofunctional silicone polymer that has high resistance to acid rain. We are in coal country, and a lot of people here burn coal for heat, and we get a lot of acid rain and snow. We don't charge for the stuff, though, and we don't warrant it. We do it for us. The appearance isn't all that great, but it gives us several months of protection.





Tom
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forgive me ahead of time for beating a dead hoarse here, but this gentleman is probably one of the few, genuienly honest and classy individuals working int the car sales field. I wish the world had more of your type my good sir.



as for my dealership expierience . . .



while trying to sell my girlfriend a car sealant package on her new jetta, i could not help but shoot the finance manager down in flames by making her sound like a complete idoit. (relax, i did it politely) the conversation ended with me giving her my card, and her expressing interest in having me detail her new car that she also just had bought from the dealership she worked at.



imagine that . . . (im trying to give the topic a new, posative energy dave and scott - if i screwed up i will gladly allow one of you to strap me to a chair while one of you sends my car through a gas station tunnel ! )
 
I have used 5 star shine on my Blk Honda S2000. I think it was an easy product to use and the finish was amazing, not so sure about it lasting 5 years.



I used Meguire's light swirl remover to prep before the 2 step 5 star product. Looked great and smooth.



A month later, the shine is still amazing however I think there are more swirls on it than before. I have been washing it weekly with Meguire's Soft Gel and a Mircofibre glove and drying it with a synth Oates chamois cloth.



My question is... I thought it was suppose to protect my paint and not be so fragile that I cant even wash my car. If it is resistant to acid rain and used by the US Navy why cant it protect my car from a gentle wash without swirling?



Also... if I use Meguire's ScratchX, will this removed the 5 Star off the paint?
 
NGR said:
My question is... I thought it was suppose to protect my paint and not be so fragile that I cant even wash my car. If it is resistant to acid rain and used by the US Navy why cant it protect my car from a gentle wash without swirling?
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No wax or sealant in the world will prevent swirling. You can minimize swirling by using very careful washing techniques. Even with those washing techniques, you may see some

swirling over time however, it will be much less than before you adopted such careful washing techniques.



NGR said:
Also... if I use Meguire's ScratchX, will this removed the 5 Star off the paint?
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Any polishing product such as ScratchX will remove 5 Star, Xzilon, or whatever you put on our car.





Four years ago (when I knew nothing about detailing), my uncle had a Xzilon sales rep who was a friend of his put Xzilon on his Vette for his 55th birthday. He has terrible arthritis in his hands so waxing the car himself was out of the question, washing is difficult enough for him (I have offered to do it for him but he is too freaking stubborn to accept help).



While I will give Xzilon credit that the paint still looks pretty good, his Vette is swirled too due to not using the two bucket method and drying with bath towels. For his birthday in July, I may polish his Vette for him and put either Jeff's Werkstatt Acrylic Jett or Zaino on his Vette. From there he can decide if he wants me to continue using Jeff's or Zaino or reapply Xzilon. I think I saw a Xzilon prep kit can be purchased on E-Bay for like $50. It is his Vette, he can do whichever, I don't care.
 
I personally used/applied Xzilon on one of my vehicles. Xzilon itself is strong enough to cut through any existing sealant. The fumes from the product itself are VERY strong. It is literally like applying turpentine to a applicator and wiping in, same color, same fumes. Great initial slickness, but it dropped off rapidly, maybe two months of noticeable protection. Then it was gone......Still have the bottle and havent used it since!

As for the picture poster, theres quite a few of us who could prove identical results with much less product acclaim...........
 
bert31 said:
Did you apply 5 Star yourself? How difficult was it?
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I did apply it myself, was very easy. Small sections at a time coz I dries fast. Lets hope it last :)



Can anyone suggest the best method to remove the light swirls without removing the 5 Star? What about Meguires Quick detail spray??
 
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