$440 8oz zymol wax

joburnet said:
... They also said that a wax cannot contain more then 33% carnauba otherwise it will not be in a useable form to put on cars.



So is Zymol and Swissol lying about how much Carnauba is in their wax?
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Zymol has a very different opinion of what "a useable form to put on cars" is.



As an example, the first line of the instructions for their Vintage Estate Glazes reads "Put a very small amount of the glaze to the palm of your hand. Use the warmth of your hands to melt the Carnauba. With your hand, gently apply the glaze in a light, even pattern over no more than two or three square feet of painted surface."



Not too many other companies expect you to melt their product with body heat and use human flesh as an applicator.





AndyC_1 said:
...Zymol et al seem to rave about "natural" products but unless its 100% carnuaba, surely that's poetic licence at best?...
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As long as the rest of the ingredients are natural they can still make the claim. Once again, from their Vintage Estate Glazes page, "Contains White Carnauba Sap/Wax, Montan Evergreen Oil, Sunflower Oil, Cantaloupe Oil, Coconut Oil, Honeydew Extract, Propolis (derived from Bees), Cetyl Esters, Cetyl Cocoamide (derived from coconut oil)."



Sounds like a salad dressing.





I'd love to see the end result but I'm way too practical (ok, cheap) to try it myself.





PC.
 
This has already been discussed to death so you might want to check out this thead



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17836&perpage=12&highlight=zymol&pagenumber=1



Here is some more info on carnuba content....



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8426&highlight=zymol



Also check this out.....from one of my previous posts....



Check out the April 2000 issue of Motor Trend in an article named "Paint Care Myths

and Reality"

I am direct quoting here:



Motor Trend question "A wax made of 100 percent carnauba is superior to those using

lessor amounts?"

Answer by Mike Pennington, director of training for Meguiars "Carnauba wax has been a favorite among car enthusiasts

for years, but don't believe that any wax is made of 100

percent carnauba. As the hardest natural wax known, carnauba is much too hard to apply

directly to automotive paint. It comes in bricks that must be melted and added to a

company's formulation. If a paint protectant advertises "pure carnauba," it means the part

of the formulation that is carnauba is pure, not that it's 100 percent carnauba. According

to Pennington, todays synthetic polymer technology actually provides better protection than carnauba"



Hope this helps....
 
AndyC_1 said:
I heard that too - Griots Garage or somewhere - saying that the highest volume is 33% and that's with being blended with chemicals etc to soften it as I understand that carnuaba in its raw form is hard, like candle wax, in composition.



Zymol et al seem to rave about "natural" products but unless its 100% carnuaba, surely that's poetic licence at best?
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When they say 100% carnuba, they're talking about the WAX content only. Another way to say it would be, " Only carnuba wax is used in this product."



The statement is true but it leads you to believe that only wax is in the container.



The 100% carnuba wax would constitute only 33% of the TOTAL volume of ingredients in the container. There have to be softeners and volatiles included in the mix that allow the wax to be applied easily and then have it dry.
 
yeah....what the other pc said. a guy that i work with says he used the estate wax back in the 80's on his show car and that it had to be applied by hand. your body heat melted it to the point that it could be applied to the paint. he says he wouldn't use it again because of the price but that it did look amazing
 
I have used Zymol for a while through our company and it's really awsome. Alot of the tests that it fails are due to the testors putting it on wrong. When you put it on right the results are amazing. But it has to be applied to a surface thats incredible to really see the point in using it. If you let it dry before you remove it you are finished, It's like concrete. Honestly the shine is amazing. It's super shap and super clean looking. Another thing that throughs people off is the price. It's expensive. For my own truck I use the creme wax, and I love it. We get it pretty cheap so that helps too. I used Zymol HD Cleaner on half the hood of a white winter beater back in June. I did 2 coats HD (there is a real knack to this stuff) but it works biggtime for surface prep. I like the way it looks over AIO but thats my opion. AIO makes certain surfaces so shinny it looks like plastic or not real, again in my opion. (I do still love AIO). After the 2 coats of HD I applied the creme wax (by hand) the shine was stunning to say the least. And now we are in Janurary and the paint still beads up like crazy.

The other thing too is that products like Zymol or Swissol enhance the natural look of the paint. It doesn't change the original look. Where as I find that Zaino, AIO, SG and some others change the way the paint was supposed to look. I have used Zaino(which works great) on red/black/blue and I found that it made them look like a plastic model car. Some people love that about it. The last thing I think about also is how Zymol is natural. Those other products have some pretty harsh chemicals in them. For the ocasional user that MIGHT be ok, but when you use products like most of the people on this board I think for your own long term saftey natural is better.



Just my 2 cents,

I am not in any way bashing AIO, NXT, Zaino or SG, I do like these products.



JW
 
JohnnyWinter said:
I have used Zymol for a while through our company and it's really awsome. Alot of the tests that it fails are due to the testors putting it on wrong. When you put it on right the results are amazing. But it has to be applied to a surface thats incredible to really see the point in using it. If you let it dry before you remove it you are finished, It's like concrete. Honestly the shine is amazing. It's super shap and super clean looking. Another thing that throughs people off is the price. It's expensive. For my own truck I use the creme wax, and I love it. We get it pretty cheap so that helps too. I used Zymol HD Cleaner on half the hood of a white winter beater back in June. I did 2 coats HD (there is a real knack to this stuff) but it works biggtime for surface prep. I like the way it looks over AIO but thats my opion. AIO makes certain surfaces so shinny it looks like plastic or not real, again in my opion. (I do still love AIO). After the 2 coats of HD I applied the creme wax (by hand) the shine was stunning to say the least. And now we are in Janurary and the paint still beads up like crazy.

The other thing too is that products like Zymol or Swissol enhance the natural look of the paint. It doesn't change the original look. Where as I find that Zaino, AIO, SG and some others change the way the paint was supposed to look. I have used Zaino(which works great) on red/black/blue and I found that it made them look like a plastic model car. Some people love that about it. The last thing I think about also is how Zymol is natural. Those other products have some pretty harsh chemicals in them. For the ocasional user that MIGHT be ok, but when you use products like most of the people on this board I think for your own long term saftey natural is better.



Just my 2 cents,

I am not in any way bashing AIO, NXT, Zaino or SG, I do like these products.



JW
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Exactly. I was dead against Zymol........before I tried it!! I could not believe that a wax really justified costing the ranges that Zymol asks for. I was wrong.



Anyone that wonders whether Zymol (I am not addressing the other high priced brands bc I have not yet sampled them) is worth the asking price will only be able to answer that question by trying the product in person.



Tests are very helpful (example Guru Report). They can give you a very good description of a product's attributes and performance during a test. Remember, that the test is reflecting the opinion of the test taker, and it should used as a guide. I tried two of the finish products that were rated above my Zymol brand. In my observation, although the two products were very good in their own right, both products could not approach the finish quality of my brand of Zymol IMO.



It is expensive. The only thing that I can recommend is that you, first of all, decide what is your limit in terms of the cost of the wax of your choice, and judge a Zymol product against two or three very good or similarly composed products, then make the choice for yourself. I did, and to me, my Zymol product exceeded my expectations.
 
I thought jngrbrdman got some to experiment with from an autopian on here and said it was an ok wax, but nothing special?
 
lbls1 said:
Believe it, it is a lot better. However, my money isn't in that range where I could feasibly support that brand for my regular waxing routine. I am tempted to try it, but knowing me, if it outperforms my current Zymol brand, I'd go broke trying to keep up with buying Destiny.



Zymol's waxed finishes are incredible though. You will have to try them to see exactly what I mean.
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Unfortunately a person that uses that wax would probably be pissed if he found out he got beat by another person in a Concours contest and he used Meguairs NXT or something similar.:shocked
 
94BlkStang said:
Unfortunately a person that uses that wax would probably be pissed if he found out he got beat by another person in a Concours contest and he used Meguairs NXT or something similar.:shocked
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I've yet to see that happen, but you never know. All I know is....my zymol was beating the crapola out of Guru's top contenders....and that was before my special little tricks of the trade finishing techniques!!:shocked :up
 
I used ZYMOL Concours wax on my Cobra show car for years in the 90's and the results were awesome. I won 14 first place trophy's during that time period and I was going up against sometimes 15 to 20 of the exact same Cobra vehicles. Zymol Concours is 47% carnuba wax and has to be heated up by hand and applied by hand. any carnuba that is over 40% has be heated by hand to be applied. the wax is too hard at that percentage to be applied with an applicator. Was it worth it? I feel it was but only if you plan on using it for a show car. it would be a waste of money for the everyday ride since the wax does not last long especially in the heat. Souveran would be the better choice. I am thinking about going back to the Concours for my Mystichrome Cobra but it will be hard again to justify the $130 price tag for the Concours. But when using these Zymol waxes it always comes down to personal choice. some might like them and think they are worth it and others just dont want to pay the price or do not think its worth it.



Later, 04MysticCobra.



2004 Mystichrome Cobra coupe.

2004 Majestic Blue Maxima SE
 
Agree....most people are value minded....if the wax is 10 or even 50 times more expensive than something I at least want to see results that are 10-50 times at nice........ok maybe thats pushing it, but are they even TWICE AS NICE?
 
If I could see a significant difference in the wax then I would probably at least try it. I did a comparison of S100 ($14) and Pinnacle Souverign ($60) and could maybe kinda tell a difference leaning toward the Souverign.



Now my guess is that no wax is going to be significantly better then Souverign but I would love to be proved wrong.



If you did have a brick of 100% pure carnauba then could you melt it with a machine and then apply it to the car? It would definatly be a pain but I think it would be interesting to try.
 
If you did have a brick of 100% pure carnauba then could you melt it with a machine and then apply it to the car? It would definatly be a pain but I think it would be interesting to try
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I would hate to remove that wax after it melted on the car :D
 
It melts at about 182 degrees F



I think you'd have to remove it before it dried or cooled. May not be possible to do well.
 
joburnet said:


If you did have a brick of 100% pure carnauba then could you melt it with a machine and then apply it to the car? It would definatly be a pain but I think it would be interesting to try.
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ive done that with candle wax when its hot and dripping wet. you should have seen the shine, plus my car smelled like warm vanilla sugar:D:p
 
This is a crazy idea, I know, but if enough of us wanted to try this, (say 100 people) we could group buy it, and try it.



Lets think about this, a jar of Soveran costs $70, if 100 of us were prepared to spend this amount then we could get their wax which is $7000 (cant remember the name) and with free life time refills, it could work out quite cost effective, only problem(s) I can foresee is who will arrange it, organise to ship it out, and obviously we wont get enough first time round to supply everyone, therefore a waiting time will be incurred due to refills.



Call me crazy, but what are your thoughts (no flames please :)



PK
 
ohhh if only it was ivory
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I don't actually think that it comes in ivory as some of the places stated. My guess is that they do something to the yellow wax to turn it white so that it's probably not pure anymore.
 
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