3m perfectit 3000 ultrafina

[SVR]

3M know how to rip people off with their poor quality polishes (the old stuff not ultrafina)

The only reason I would switch from 106 to Ultrafina is if it was exactly the same price, the UF spread as oily and worked as long as 106 and gave a better finish

With 106 on all bar some japanese paints, it's such a pleasure to use and gives a squeaky clean finish and feel.



I'm not about to make the switch as I still have a gallon of 106 to use and in Australia, ultrafina will most likely be around the fifty dollar mark or more

plus I'm still concerned about the siloxane in the formula, can this (even if its a wetting agent) be broken down like other lubricating oils (mineral oil and glycerin) and not cause filling or work it's way into the metal



From my experience, 106FF with a black pad is not as good as 106 with black and then 85RD finishing polish (weaker cut) with a blue.

That combo gives even better wetness, gloss, depth and colour than just 106



I have had to do that on hard paints to get it to the level I wanted, then I've moved on to the non abrasive products to prep for sealing

 

[Invigor]

you don't have to "break down" UF. 4 passes, wipe off, you're done.

 

[Chris@Optimum]

3M know how to rip people off with their poor quality polishes (the old stuff not ultrafina)

The only reason I would switch from 106 to Ultrafina is if it was exactly the same price, the UF spread as oily and worked as long as 106 and gave a better finish

With 106 on all bar some japanese paints, it's such a pleasure to use and gives a squeaky clean finish and feel.



I'm not about to make the switch as I still have a gallon of 106 to use and in Australia, ultrafina will most likely be around the fifty dollar mark or more

plus I'm still concerned about the siloxane in the formula, can this (even if its a wetting agent) be broken down like other lubricating oils (mineral oil and glycerin) and not cause filling or work it's way into the metal



From my experience, 106FF with a black pad is not as good as 106 with black and then 85RD finishing polish (weaker cut) with a blue.

That combo gives even better wetness, gloss, depth and colour than just 106



I have had to do that on hard paints to get it to the level I wanted, then I've moved on to the non abrasive products to prep for sealing

So...3M too? Hmmm....

 

[David Fermani]

So today I compared the finish of Ultrafina and the PO85RD.



Process was:



SIP (PO85RD 3.02)/white LC foam, whole hood



Ultrafina blue 3M foam, whole hood



Ultrafina red LC foam on 1/2 the hood



PO85RD red LC foam on the other half



There was some difference. Not alot, but some. Certainly not enough to be shown by a picture. Enough to warrant an extra jeweling step with the 85RD? Not unless I was getting paid well for the job. The PO85RD did look glossier than the Ultrafina. Given the results of the detailingworld thread, I expected there to be quite a noticeable difference, but that just wasn't the case, at least with my car.

Do you think doing the whole hood with UF/blue foam and then the UF/85RD comparison was necessary? I wonder if you skipped that middle step and went right to a final finishing pad/polish would have made it any different? I can't remember anyone ever doing 2 steps/pad breakdowns with UF? Most just use it once (with a final finishing pad).



So, according to your results and the ones on detailersworld, this makes 85Rd the champ again. I'm interested in trying seeing more results, especially with a gloss meter(true results).

From my experience, 106FF with a black pad is not as good as 106 with black and then 85RD finishing polish (weaker cut) with a blue.

That combo gives even better wetness, gloss, depth and colour than just 106

I'd have to say UF is more comparable to 85RD than 106FF. I'd love it if you did a test of the 2 to see what your findings were.

 

[SuperBee364]

Do you think doing the whole hood with UF/blue foam and then the UF/85RD comparison was necessary? I wonder if you skipped that middle step and went right to a final finishing pad/polish would have made it any different? I can't remember anyone ever doing 2 steps/pad breakdowns with UF? Most just use it once (with a final finishing pad).



So, according to your results and the ones on detailersworld, this makes 85Rd the champ again. I'm interested in trying seeing more results, especially with a gloss meter(true results).





I'd have to say UF is more comparable to 85RD than 106FF. I'd love it if you did a test of the 2 to see what your findings were.

Yeah. I wanted to see if the red foam finished down any better than 3M's pad. It didn't. I also wanted to make sure that I was using the same pad to compare both polishes. I didn't want to open my other package of blue pads, so I used the red, repolished the UF side, then did the other with a fresh red and po85rd. Hope that makes sense.



Normally, I wouldn't do two final polishes like that. It was just for comparison purposes only. I really wanted to see how finely UF would finish down, using two types of finishing pads, and how it compared against po85rd.



I'd love to repeat the test with a gloss meter. I have a feeling they're priced a bit out of my range, though.

 

[SVR]

What's your problem integrity?

There are plenty other boutique products that I can list that no longer cut it cause I keep moving and wanting more and more.

I'm radical and extremely driven and want better stuff made or if I can't find it, I will make it myself, which I am doing.

It's the 21st century, we should be even further ahead by now and thats not just in detailing either.

Some people don't like my methods or ways but life is all about pushing the envelope, breaking new ground, revolutionising the world. Each generation to go further





3M has never impressed me but hopefully UF will

So is UF half a polish, half a glaze. It contains abrasives so surely you have to break that down



Pretty impressive if it didn't need to be.

I will buy some soon and post my findings

 

[J.J.]

Where R people purchasing this product?



JJ

 

[Joshua312]

Where R people purchasing this product?



JJ

I got mine here R & E Paint Supply. 3M 06068, Perfect-It 3000, Ultrafina SE, Swirl Eliminator

 

[SuperBee364]

I got mine here...3M Perfect-It 3000 Ultrafina SE 1 Quart but Joshua312's place beats this one by five bucks a bottle.

 

[ptaylor_9849]

After years working with Menzerna, I broke down and tried Ultrafina today. All I can say is OMG. I now have a new finishing polish. Not only was it a pleasure to work with but it performed exactly like a polish should. I have grown tired of all the jumping, skipping, grabbing and DUSTING from Menzerna. I wanted a product that would spread evenly over the surface without clumping and drying up. I only had about a half hour to play with it so I can't speak of it's corrective abilities. I didn't even have time to pull my car into the sun.

What I was looking for was it's BEHAVIOR. I can tell you already that it is the most user friendly polish I have ever used. It makes the average guy feel like a pro. It works that effortlessly. Oh yeah, another bonus: NO SMELL. :spot Your pad just glides over the surface. This gives you terrific control because your not using all your strength trying to keep the machine from jumping through your windshield. You can really focus on your polishing technique.



Patrick

 

[imported_rydawg1]

After years working with Menzerna, I broke down and tried Ultrafina today. All I can say is OMG. I now have a new finishing polish. Not only was it a pleasure to work with but it performed exactly like a polish should. I have grown tired of all the jumping, skipping, grabbing and DUSTING from Menzerna. I wanted a product that would spread evenly over the surface without clumping and drying up. I only had about a half hour to play with it so I can't speak of it's corrective abilities. I didn't even have time to pull my car into the sun.

What I was looking for was it's BEHAVIOR. I can tell you already that it is the most user friendly polish I have ever used. It makes the average guy feel like a pro. It works that effortlessly. Oh yeah, another bonus: NO SMELL. :spot Your pad just glides over the surface. This gives you terrific control because your not using all your strength trying to keep the machine from jumping through your windshield. You can really focus on your polishing technique.



Patrick

I knew you would like it Patrick.:laugh:

 

[ptaylor_9849]

Once again, my friend from New Hampshire "Rydawg" spent some time with me over the phone the other night as we discussed Ultrafina. I went out the next day and bought a quart from Sherwin Williams Automotive for 35 bucks. Thanks again Ryan for a great product recommendation. I really didn't think it would be so nice and easy to work with.



Patrick

 

[Invigor]

3M has never impressed me but hopefully UF will

So is UF half a polish, half a glaze. It contains abrasives so surely you have to break that down

4 passes @1800rpm then wipe is what's recommended. In the training, they stress to NOT buff dry, but maintain wetness to lubricate the tiny abrasives. If you buff it until dry, you might end up doing more harm than good. Even though the pad is ULTRA soft, it can still leave a trail if you buff it dry.

 

[SuperBee364]

Absolutely not. 4 passes @1800rpm then wipe is what's recommended.

Hmmm. When I was using 106ff, I was spreading at just a bit less than 1k, then doing about 3-4 passes at 1200, then 3-4 at 1600, then 3 at a bit less than 1k. Just about two to 2.5 minutes total working time per application, but mostly going by when it was *completely* clear... not just kinda clear, but nothing-left-but-oil clear. That was one thing I really like about 106; you could tell exactly when to stop polishing.



Is 4 passes at 1.8k providing you guys with the results you want, or is there a better way to finesse this polish? Also, are you guys varying the amount of pressure, or just using buffer weight through the whole application? I'd been using the same technique with the Ultrafina as I had been using with the 106, but after reading the quoted post, I'm wondering if I'm overworking the Ultrafina?



I could really use some help on refining my jeweling technique with this polish. I had it down with 106 (after going through a whole gallon of the stuff, I guess I *should* have it down ), but I'd really like to make sure I'm doing it right with the Ultrafina.

 

[imported_Dave11]

I could really use some help on refining my jeweling technique with this polish. I had it down with 106 (after going through a whole gallon of the stuff, I guess I *should* have it down ), but I'd really like to make sure I'm doing it right with the Ultrafina.

I had the same question here a few weeks back and was told I wasn't working the product correctly. I too was trying to take my time with it and work it a little longer to get the max effect but, that's not how this product was designed. It states on the bottle after a bold IMPORTANT, this product is designed to stay wet throughout.

Three or four passes are mentioned a couple of times and that to me takes the jeweling or burnishing aspects away from this polish......



I like UF a lot but, if you like to work your products a little longer, another option like 85RD might be on the menu. It is for me.......

 

[SuperBee364]

I had the same question here a few weeks back and was told I wasn't working the product correctly. I too was trying to take my time with it and work it a little longer to get the max effect but, that's not how this product was designed. It states on the bottle after a bold IMPORTANT, this product is designed to stay wet throughout.

Three or four passes are mentioned a couple of times and that to me takes the jeweling or burnishing aspects away from this polish......



I like UF a lot but, if you like to work your products a little longer, another option like 85RD might be on the menu. It is for me.......

Good info, thanks for that, Dave. Yet another time when I need to RTFM.. or Bottle, as the case may be.



I did order some 85RD. Figured it was about time to get a *really* fine polish since the Ultrafina was taking over for the 106. I've only used it a few times, but so far I haven't been able to get it to finish down *that* much better than the Ultrafina. Certainly not enough to make it worth an additional step.

 

[imported_Dave11]

I did order some 85RD. Figured it was about time to get a *really* fine polish since the Ultrafina was taking over for the 106. I've only used it a few times, but so far I haven't been able to get it to finish down *that* much better than the Ultrafina. Certainly not enough to make it worth an additional step.

They are so close that I don't know if there is really that much difference, at least to my eye.



The only thing I find with UF is to work it less, which is probably a good thing in the end. Something a little different.....



I guess older dogs have older tricks......:xyxthumbs

 

[Harbison215]

ultra fina works great, especially after a nice correction step. i just picked up a gallon of m105 and can't wait to test it out tomorrow, followed by some UF



im gonna hit it with m105 and a edge yellow wool followed by some ultra fina with a 3m blue polishing pad.



should be pretty nice for a simple two step process.



if i ever feel like i need a middle step or something less aggressive than m105, i think im going to pick up some menzerna SIP. what do you guys think for a middle step?

 

[imported_Denzil]

I guess it's great that I haven't had any previous experience with Menzerna so working Ultrafina shouldn't be so bad unless I have the Optimum mentality in mind...

ultra fina works great, especially after a nice correction step. i just picked up a gallon of m105 and can't wait to test it out tomorrow, followed by some UF



im gonna hit it with m105 and a edge yellow wool followed by some ultra fina with a 3m blue polishing pad.



should be pretty nice for a simple two step process.



if i ever feel like i need a middle step or something less aggressive than m105, i think im going to pick up some menzerna SIP. what do you guys think for a middle step?

Actually, that's what I was planning on doing. I'm irritated with the dusting that the PB's SSR's produce and so I'm looking to purchase some SIP. I think I read on another thread that SIP dusts a little but I'm under the assumption that it's not as much as SSR2.5. I hope that's correct.

 

[ptaylor_9849]

Harbison215, I currently have an ad in the classifieds and I'm looking for a small sample size bottle of M105. I would gladly trade you some of my SIP 3.02 from Germany for a similar size bottle of your 105. That way neither of us would need to drop another $50 on a polish we've never tried before. Moreover, you only need such a tiny amount of SIP that a small bottle (like 3oz) would actually go quite far.



Patrick