$300 In An Hour

Clean Dean said:
Interesting thread from a professional I have nothing but respect for. My concerns with a product with a protection life span is what that would that protection promise to protect against. Would a warranty be issued?



Do you guarantee protection against:



etching

swirls

scratches

chips

industrial fallout



My concern with ever offering 3 years of protection in a product, would be with a customer who now feels his finish is protected against all enviromental conditions. What if car is subjected to a harsh environment, and the owner believes that his finish will remain flawless regardless of how the vehicle is cared for. Would it be possible that the owner will now believe that the finish cannot be damaged and will take less care in properly washing the car? How about an owner with a black car who leaves his car outdoors for an extended period of time with a large bird dropping on the finish in the heat? Would he now attempted to claim liability against you if the finish is etched?



I will not bash a product I never tried, but I would be concerned about offering any time frame on protection without thoroughly explaining to the owner what could happen if the car is not properly cared for.



I haven't tried a new polymer sealant or covering for that matter in about 5 years (aint broke don't fix it) and have stuck with a few reliable products that have worked well for me consistently, but I am enticed to give this product a try.



When will this product be available? Where can you purchase it? What is the price with regards to size (16oz, .5 gal, 1gal)?



I just checked out Optimum's website and did not see it?
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Holy smokes this thread hit a nerve somewhere......but on to the replies.



CleanDean, thanks for the kind words buddy, right back at you and you have raised some important questions/concerns.



I understand fully how after this product is applied clients may then feel that they now have an indestructible barrier on their cars paint and nothing short of nuclear fall out should damage it. Reality of this though is that not even the factory clear coat is truly permanent because too much heat and friction from a buffer will cause burn through and wet sanding can level the clear out also. Then we have the issues of UV absorbers not being applied properly at the factory which can lead to premature clear failure. So even the factory clear has its limits.



What I tell my clients is this.....I have applied a coating to your paint that should last you up to 3 years or longer. It's not necessary to wax the car but it can be if you like. Repeated car washes should have no effect on the coating, you have added UV protection and ease of cleaning and drying. Now this doesn't mean it stops bullets or vandalism and if you get bird bombs on it you'll still want to get that cleaned off as soon as possible and I'll keep on eye on the coating as I visit your car for regular maintenance.



So look at it, and explain it, as a wax that's permanent. It gives you all the benefits of a wax but it won't wear off.



The warranty given with the coating will explain in greater detail what voids the warranty.



Anthony
 
jimmie jam said:
Anthony,



the point that i was making was just an opinion. good or bad. founded or unfounded. it's only in the reader's mind. just like your original post - you were stating an opinion. i just found it unusual that you would spend so much time and effort to "defend" it. why should you care what anyone else thinks - negative or positive (unless you are trying to "sell" something)? i wasn't attacking you or anyone else - just stating my opinion about the thread. i stand by my "take" or "read" on it (the thread). everyone has an opinion. :argue::xyxthumbs
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I understand your point and again you have every right to an opinion. My point is this. I am not "defending" the product so much as I am seeking to answer as many people as I possibly can as honestly as I can.



Thanks,

Anthony
 
sQuashed said:
From page 1 (the holy grail page) Do you think this is what's creating the skepticism?
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Only if it were untrue. I have evidence of the first batch of this coating still on cars at 3 and 4 years.



The current product has been refined and while I have not had it for more than 2 months on cars I have every reason to believe that it is better in all areas.



Again, I have created no hype concerning this product but rather have been open and honest as to what it can and cannot do. I have repeatedly stated that it is NOT the silver bullet of products nor that it can stop laser beams and bullets. You yourself have used the word "holy grail", not me.



Anthony
 
TrueDetailer said:
At first, It seems more like you just wanted a pat on your back.



Cause you know you didn't really explain anything about this coating in your very first post. All you did was brag about how you made $300 in one hour, and tell us you have more set up this week. Seems more like you wanted to hype people up about buying this stuff rather then informing them what it can do.



Now that people are coming up with good questions you're having a hard time answering them with actual facts. If this is supposed to be like a another clear coat like you mentioned in your first few replys. The why do you get paint transfer on single stage paints, How can you not be sure if clay removes it, etc etc.



So from the first page it went from being like another clear coat that can stand up to almost anything to now only being some added protection that will have to be maintained.



This will be my last post about this stuff. Let it be known though just by your first post. I think this was nothing more then a spam/schill post by you and your friend the dr. in order to hype up this product on the forums.



:geez
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I have been detailing for some 20 odd years now. I have had plenty of "back pats" over those years and frankly had I wanted more pats on the back I would have posted this elsewhere and in more forums but you'll find that this is the only place I have posted this. I belong to 18 forums so a "pat on my back" is not what I want nor need.



Thanks for your input though.



Anthony
 
JoshVette said:
Integrity, I think part of the problem with these threads are that they only give end results.....



People don't just want end results when investing money into a product, they want to know about the testing:



When was the testing started?

How was the car prep'd?

What was the process?

How was the car maintained for these 3 years during the testing?

Is the car a garage queen or DD?

Were any other protection products put on the car during these years?

When did it start to diminish?



Seriously, why do people claim great results but then act like they don't know about the product or the process leading up to those results. I think that is why people are bashing and calling BS.



Josh
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The testing started some 4 years ago on various cars and panels.



After polishing the paint, if needed, we give the paint an alcohol wipe down.



The application process is much like applying Zaino Clear Seal



On my test cars I only washed them. I applied no wax or sealants on them. On some panels though, mainly on my own cars, I used various waxes and sealants on top of the coating to see the effects.



Some cars are daily drivers and others are garage queens. Obviously the garage queens are still in good standing at 3 years.



The Porsche I had it on at 2 years was recently T-boned at an intersection and sadly that test vehicle is now out of the test:cooleek: It was holding up fine though at 2 years and this was a daily driver. The owner liked the coating so well that he has requested it be applied to his new Porsche to be delivered in September.



I have only seen a diminish on the Maserati hood that has been going pretty good for almost 4 years now. This though is on a garage queen but it has been brutally handled by the owner also.



I hope this helps clear up some issues.



Anthony
 
jsatek said:
Does this product need be applied in a "low dust" environment?



Will contaminants stick to the product as it dries?
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The cleaner the environment the better. Crap floating around can become a hassle if it settles on the paint as the product is drying. It can be easily cleared up but a hassle nonetheless.



Anthony
 
Since I am moving to Oregon, this maybe the product that will help me to stand out from other detailers.:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:spot:spot:spot



How long does it take to dry and what happens if the paint gets wet an hour after application. Can you top it with a carnauba or sealant immediately?
 
TrueDetailer said:
Let it be known though just by your first post. I think this was nothing more then a spam/schill post by you and your friend the dr. in order to hype up this product on the forums.



:geez
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Honestly, I don't think Autopians are really a market for this product and no amount of hype is going to persuade someone to buy what will probably be an expensive per use product. Autopians like to mess with their finish regularly and probably aren't all that interested in something that lasts for 3 years. Why buy a product that lasts 3 years when you like waxing your car monthly?



Even for a pro like myself, I see a very limited market for this product. Most of my customers like to have me come out regularly and polish and wax their cars. That way, the finish on their car is constantly being refined and 3 years down the road, their car actually looks better than it did when new. I have a few customer who I may see once every year or two and they are the ones I will be asking if they are interested in a ultra long life sealant.
 
Scottwax said:
Honestly, I don't think Autopians are really a market for this product and no amount of hype is going to persuade someone to buy what will probably be an expensive per use product. Autopians like to mess with their finish regularly and probably aren't all that interested in something that lasts for 3 years. Why buy a product that lasts 3 years when you like waxing your car monthly?



Even for a pro like myself, I see a very limited market for this product. Most of my customers like to have me come out regularly and polish and wax their cars. That way, the finish on their car is constantly being refined and 3 years down the road, their car actually looks better than it did when new. I have a few customer who I may see once every year or two and they are the ones I will be asking if they are interested in a ultra long life sealant.
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Well put Scott!:waxing:
 
tdekany said:
Since I am moving to Oregon, this maybe the product that will help me to stand out from other detailers.:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:bigups:xyxthumbs:spot:spot:spot



How long does it take to dry and what happens if the paint gets wet an hour after application. Can you top it with a carnauba or sealant immediately?
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It is fully cured at around 15 to 24 hours. It can get wet shortly after application but not sure I would go through washing and all until at least 24 hours.



The product itself dries quickly, like Opti-Seal.



It can be topped within an hour. We do go over it with OID right after the first application.



Anthony
 
JoshVette said:
Integrity, I think part of the problem with these threads are that they only give end results.....



People don't just want end results when investing money into a product, they want to know about the testing:



When was the testing started?not a tester, just recieved a sample

How was the car prep'd?corrected finish via rotary, OP, and white LC CCS followed by gray

What was the process? whole car prepped as above. hood recieved the coating (2x), the rest recieved OS (2x), whole car gets OCW monthly and OID after washes

How was the car maintained for these 3 years during the testing?just realized you didn't mean my car, lol

Is the car a garage queen or DD?DD but garaged at night 95% of the time

Were any other protection products put on the car during these years?stated above

When did it start to diminish?none so far at 4.5 months



Seriously, why do people claim great results but then act like they don't know about the product or the process leading up to those results. I think that is why people are bashing and calling BS. This is a good opp to bring up that, you MUST fully prep the paint to near perfection before applying this stuff. Any swirls or scratches left prior to install will require polishing thru the coating to get to the flaw later. That fact alone will ensure that this is not a "universal product."



Josh
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Thanks for that POV Josh, I hadn't thought of it that way. I got it, tried it, and see a use for it. I don't know how it works, but it does. My favorite line from Tommy Boy is when Chris Farley says: I could get a better look at my steak by sticking my head up a bull's ***, but I'd rather take my butcher's word for it. Dr G has already proven his integrity and ethical business practices to me personally as a customer so I guess I'm not as leery as others and although I've only had it on my car for 4.5 months I can see that it is gonna last at least that much longer. Maybe when I've been on here a little while longer people will know me well enough to know why I named my business "integrity detail."
 
Man this forum has really gone downhill lately. It's impossible to post without being called a schill. I guess I am schilling rotary work; you know, removing swirls makes me money, so...like, I'm promoting it. Ban me. Ban everyone.
 
Anthony thanks for the update. I dont miss the pre 05 times, I didn't know about this place then nor did I have a passion for detailing. I want to try it on my wifes car! :)



FWIW It should be a requirement for everyone to READ the ENTIRE thread before posting a reply. Again thank you Anthony and Integrity
 
I have been going back and forth on this thread for a while and here is my opinion.



Anthony, if you still sell OPT, then you are shilling (as the rules explained to me), which is why some people are likely upset. Personally, I don't care because I respect your opinion and don't think you are hyping anything. Hype, IMO, is not the message but the way the message is delivered. Also the thread title reads somewhat like an informerical, which can negatively set peoples opinions.



One thing that I have learned (the hard way) is that on the internet you can only type in the lines, but you cannot keep people from reading (stuff that doesn't exist) between the lines. 90% of human communication is from verbal tonage and body langauge, both of which are non exististant when reading words.



I think that this coating looks promising and thank you for sharing it. I'm sure when David G(who is an absolute gentleman by the way) is ready to release the product, he will have all the questions answered. The problem with this thread is that the answers are not avialable, and thus it looks like hype. However, like I said, you have earned your reputation and I wish people would look at your character before making such harsh judgements.



I see both sides of the coin, but considering every product that I have tried from Optimum (except for the polish which takes too long to fill, let alone correct) has been top notch. Given their proven record in cutting edge technology and your reputation, I choose to believe that this stuff is going to rock. Thanks for your post and taking the heat.
 
Picus said:
Man this forum has really gone downhill lately. It's impossible to post without being called a schill. I guess I am schilling rotary work; you know, removing swirls makes me money, so...like, I'm promoting it. Ban me. Ban everyone.
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I wonder why people have an issue with this, while these same "detailers" are not questioning the prices of some of those ultra expensive carnaubas.



Don't people charge extra for using Zymol, or swissvax?



PS: I believe this claim before I buy into the crystal wax durability. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Bence said:
Am I the only one who misses the pre-2005 times?
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Probably not the only one, but I certainly don't.



Autopia pre 2005 (from my memory as a lurker)



-Nobody used wool pads and the thought was that wool was bad

-Most click and brags were of people filling in swirl marks with polishes (done on a PC for two whole passes)

-The few that finished with a rotary (that I remember) used abrasive pads

-NXT was the most loved then most loathed product (those where fun threads)

-Click and Brag was 10-15 pictures, most with exposure problems

-Nobody really used halogens (that I recall) but a few used a brinkman

-The before/after shots where usually one of each, with sun on different sections of the paint, in different lighting.





What I do remember though is that site seemed more biased towards the level of detailing done vs. the type of car it was done too. However the general level of detailing was considerably lower, IMO. (Don't read that to say that everybody was worse, but most of the work shown was to a lower standard then typical today)



Autopia definetely has more bickering and attitude then it did (which isn't a good thing at all) and less of the lets get along attitude (but I still remember Zaino threads going downhill, even in 2005), but autopia in 2008 has...



-Most click and brags are far more detailed and educational then ever before. -Threads that would have gotten 50 replies in 2005 only get 10-12 now.

-Most pro's are using (gasp 2005) wool pads and rotary buffers. The PC ROB's are used so much less.

-The threads are more focused on taking the time and doing it right, vs. two passes and bragging how good it looked (in limited light) 6 hours later.

-Carnauba wax is back on top again

-Enthustist on the forum know seem more knowledgable then most of the guys who posted in 2005.



Again, just my opinion, but I think that autopia is a better place now then it was back then.
 
I have only been here for a year but have been detailing for 6 years and the site has changed a noticeable amount in that year I have been here. Some for the good, some not for the good.
 
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