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[Anthony O.]

Actually, that part helps me. I have a customer who runs his Lexus through the touch free car wash 4-6 times each WEEK. This might be a product he'd be interested in.



Not so sure my regulars would be interested in it but those who call for new car prep who are one timers or those who wait a full year in between details might also be candidates for this sealant.

Exactly Scott.



Now this coating can be applied but it doesn't NEED to be sold as a 3 year coating but rather something you apply to ensure longevity of protection. For example, I have this one several cars but I have applied it more along the lines of it aiding me in the general maintenance of the vehicle.



In fact on some cars I never told the client that they have this coating on their paint. I have applied it only on some trouble areas of certain cars, like on the rear bumpers where some cars get a lot of exhaust stains. It helps to keep those areas cleaner longer.



Anthony

 

[Anthony O.]

This seems to be the evolution of sealants IMO.



Anthony, the animosity seems to stem from the reputation of prior "coatings" aka, Matrix, glare, toughguard, dealer scam, etc. I guess it could be helpful if you were to differentiate this product from other "coatings" or explain how it is similar.



Interesting to say the least.

Well I can't get all that technical or in-depth with what makes it tick chemically but I can say that it is fairly new technology with how the polymers are used.



Again, this is a very durable coating guys but it's not a bullet proof vest for cars. I applied it to a car and that guy came back some weeks later and I found tons of hard water spots all over the paint. Now the coating was still there because I could tell when I washed it but I was shocked at how it had spotting.



The client informed me that he parked it at a shopping center (black paint), next to some sprinklers in 101 temps, full sun with 91% humidity. They were etched in pretty good so I went about buffing the paint and was then pleased to see that they were cleaning up rather easily with a wool pad and OP. It appears that the coating took most of the spotting and only a few made it through to the actual paint. I buffed it all out and re-applied the coating to the hood.



So please don't think that this can do miracles.



Anthony

 

[imported_rydawg1]

Where many dealer protection products fail both the dealer and the product manufacturer is that the warranty/instructions are either not explained or misinformed. I personally (as well as dealerships) want a customer to return atleast annually for say an inspection and possibly a free reapplication. At that time additional services/products(tar removal/scratch removal/interior clean) can be upsold for back-end profit. I'm actually interested in this particular product's claim on its longevity too. That alone doesn't mean just because the product *can* last up to 3 years doesn't mean you don't need to service your customer for that long. It's up to how you market it and your service for the most bang for the buck. Having a product actually last that long is icing on the cake. Again, I really think this product, (if done properly) can really be a hit with dealers. Just make sure that the product/warranty cost is in line with competitors in that arena. Dealers still believe that the stuff they're currently offering actually last 5-6 years without reapplications. So getting through to them making them believe yours is the real deal is a worthless battle. I do think it's main deferential from products already in place is the WOWA aspect. Nothing like that is being used yet (at dealers). Can't wait to see what happens.

Your right David! The concept is great, but dealers are the hardest battles. Most of them will complain about cost, especially when they have their paint sealant marketing already in place and the cost of it per gallon is cheap and their help is dirt cheap. I think if anything that the dealers would be interested in buying it themselves and cutting out the installers to save a buck... With the way the economy is and the way dealers are hurting, I wouldn't be surprised to see the sales people out there dressed up installing the coating themselves.:hmph:



I like the concept, but.....

 

[Chris@Optimum]

I may be of some assistance with the scratch prevention questions. I deliberately only did my hood when I received mine. I continued my usual routine on the rest of the car. I haven't had to clay the hood in 4 months, but I did the roof and trunk. I can attest that the coating is more resistant that my factory paint because I do have some uniform swirls developing on the other horizontal surfaces that are not showing on the hood. Now, is this tougher than all clears, IDK. It's been killing me not to apply it to the whole car, but I wanted to see the long term effects before I put something on my paint that was hard to remove. I wanted to make sure there was no yellowing with time or adverse issues. I can honestly say that it is not hype. I put it on a red 500sl a few months back and the owner said she went to the garage to wash it after going to movies while it was raining. She was shocked to find that it wasn't dirty and had no spotting. As the car was driven, the surface is so slick that the water just blows off.



I don't see it as taking money out of my pocket either. I will only apply it to a properly prepped car and most of my biz don't fit the bill. The one's who do buy it will tell others and I will still do the maintenance because they appreciate my integrity, not using outdated products to deliberately generate more income. I'm not saying that you should only use boutique waxes and product x on all cars just that you should offer available technology if requested.



One more thing, this stuff is geared toward protection so you can still use toppers if you like the look they add. Hope this helps.

 

[imported_rydawg1]

Well I can't get all that technical or in-depth with what makes it tick chemically but I can say that it is fairly new technology with how the polymers are used.



Again, this is a very durable coating guys but it's not a bullet proof vest for cars. I applied it to a car and that guy came back some weeks later and I found tons of hard water spots all over the paint. Now the coating was still there because I could tell when I washed it but I was shocked at how it had spotting.



The client informed me that he parked it at a shopping center (black paint), next to some sprinklers in 101 temps, full sun with 91% humidity. They were etched in pretty good so I went about buffing the paint and was then pleased to see that they were cleaning up rather easily with a wool pad and OP. It appears that the coating took most of the spotting and only a few made it through to the actual paint. I buffed it all out and re-applied the coating to the hood.



So please don't think that this can do miracles.



Anthony

Thanks for your honesty!!!!



When it comes to sprinkler water in direct sun, nothing will protect 100%.

 

[derek37]

Sun Friendly??

 

[porta]

This coats are for real, I have been testing a couple of them and they wears like a rock. I did wash a 530 beemer who had been coated and the car sheeted water like fresh applied nuba, and this was after 14 months.



I can´t tell if "X" is a similar coating, but IMO it sounds like that. Matrix is a simiar coating and yes, they work.



The world is more then Duragloss, Zaino and Collinite when it comes to durability. I have been trying to say this during my time @ autopia, but no one never believed me.



These coatings are very popular in Japan, go to youtube and search for G´zox (one of the most popilar coatings).

 

[Lumadar]

I think the reason for the majority of the animousity in this thread is the fact that the "product" is being toted with close to ZERO technical background or explanation. This is a community of skilled and INFORMED detailers that know HOW and WHY their products work, not just WHICH products work.



We like to understand the science behind our tools so A.) We can best utilize them, and B.) We can properly sell/explain them to our clients.



TBH, solid reputation or not from the poster...when someone starts claiming they have a "coating" which is nameless, and priceless, especially without ANY real technical explanation aside from an insanely ambiguous and overly used term such as "polymers" I, and many others are going to scream BS.



I want a real explanation of the SCIENCE behind the product. what KIND of coating is this?



HOW does it function? I don't want to hear that it does, I want to hear HOW and WHY. I won't spend a red cent on it until I do.



Also, there was an explanation by Anthony in which through up SEVERAL red flags to me..."First, a car DOES NOT need to be clayed nor polished, ever really. Of course, as you noted, this depends greatly on how the car is treated, driven and stored. A car, kept as a garage queen, may never need to be waxed, especially if cared for properly." Really couldn't disagree much more on that. Every car, loved for or not will require claying...just at different intervals based on variables, X, Y, Z etc



"Secondly, it's not yet confirmed if claying fully removes this coating." Again a red flag...the product has been tested for as much as 4 years, and something as simple as that has not been tested? That's scary...



"I have applied this coating to single stage paint and it appears to now hold up against polishing in the sense that very little paint is being pulled."

If any paint is pulled then the coating is completely gone in that area...if it slows the transfer, that would indicate a presence of something, but also that the coating takes on swirls (or the polishing wouldn't be needed). Mixed thoughts on that.



I have been a huge fan of the few Optimum products I have tried, and I anxiously await more revealing information on this mystery product.

 

[holland_patrick]

subscribed because this is and epic thread in the making



4 page in one night

 

[imported_JoshVette]

This coats are for real, I have been testing a couple of them and they wears like a rock. I did wash a 530 beemer who had been coated and the car sheeted water like fresh applied nuba, and this was after 14 months.

Really? so you documented everything done on the car for this 14 months? it was never waxed again or QD'd or anything in 14 months huh?



If you're going to do testings you have to do them on cars you can have total control and observation over.

 

[imported_JoshVette]

Sorry, but this "new coating" sounds no different to me then some of the long lasting sealents out on the market. You say it is a polymer product but with new technology (even though you don't claim to know what that "new technology" is) but everything I'm reading is telling me it's just another long lasting polymer sealant that is marketed differently.



IMO, the fact that you guys are marketing it to dealerships and not detailers tells me alot as well. A truely great product will sell like crazy to detailers as we are informed and knowledgable in this area but dealerships are not and there's no real way to prove the protection or keep accountable the 3 year evidence on a customers car.



Josh

 

[imported_Picus]

I guess we'll have to wait until it comes out to see if detailers buy it. I'd say if it does last a year+ consistently under most normal conditions (as in, no abraded away) it would be a good thing to have around.

 

[Alfisti]

Great sounding product with multiple markets.



Do we have a *rough* ETA?

 

[jimmie jam]

well, after spending the time to read this entire thread a couple of things stand out. 1) the original poster has spent ALOT of time/effort defending his statements. 2) the "information" is seemingly incomplete at best after repeated attemps to explain it. 3) the product just doesn't make sense if you are in the "business" of car care. 4) the claims seem a little "over the top" given the real world of how the vast majority of car owners care for and use their vehicles. 5) this is just another "version" of the snake oil that's been around since the 1970's, IMHP. and last but not least, time is money. why spend so much time trying to defend this "new" product? it's a sale thread, that's why. this is just MY opinion. what ever floats your boat. :nervous::tumblewee :birthday:

 

[Anthony O.]

Sun Friendly??

If you mean as in applying it in the sun then I would advise against that. It's best applied on a cool surface out of direct sun.

I think the reason for the majority of the animousity in this thread is the fact that the "product" is being toted with close to ZERO technical background or explanation. This is a community of skilled and INFORMED detailers that know HOW and WHY their products work, not just WHICH products work.



We like to understand the science behind our tools so A.) We can best utilize them, and B.) We can properly sell/explain them to our clients.



TBH, solid reputation or not from the poster...when someone starts claiming they have a "coating" which is nameless, and priceless, especially without ANY real technical explanation aside from an insanely ambiguous and overly used term such as "polymers" I, and many others are going to scream BS.



I want a real explanation of the SCIENCE behind the product. what KIND of coating is this?



HOW does it function? I don't want to hear that it does, I want to hear HOW and WHY. I won't spend a red cent on it until I do.



Also, there was an explanation by Anthony in which through up SEVERAL red flags to me..."First, a car DOES NOT need to be clayed nor polished, ever really. Of course, as you noted, this depends greatly on how the car is treated, driven and stored. A car, kept as a garage queen, may never need to be waxed, especially if cared for properly." Really couldn't disagree much more on that. Every car, loved for or not will require claying...just at different intervals based on variables, X, Y, Z etc



"Secondly, it's not yet confirmed if claying fully removes this coating." Again a red flag...the product has been tested for as much as 4 years, and something as simple as that has not been tested? That's scary...



"I have applied this coating to single stage paint and it appears to now hold up against polishing in the sense that very little paint is being pulled."

If any paint is pulled then the coating is completely gone in that area...if it slows the transfer, that would indicate a presence of something, but also that the coating takes on swirls (or the polishing wouldn't be needed). Mixed thoughts on that.



I have been a huge fan of the few Optimum products I have tried, and I anxiously await more revealing information on this mystery product.

I read things like this and I wonder if people are actually reading or just posting up stuff based on emotions?



You stated:

Also, there was an explanation by Anthony in which through up SEVERAL red flags to me..."First, a car DOES NOT need to be clayed nor polished, ever really. Of course, as you noted, this depends greatly on how the car is treated, driven and stored. A car, kept as a garage queen, may never need to be waxed, especially if cared for properly." Really couldn't disagree much more on that. Every car, loved for or not will require claying...just at different intervals based on variables, X, Y, Z etc

Sir, you obviously did not read my statement in its context. You make the statement that you disagree that a car DOES NOT need to be clayed or polished. You claim that every car will need claying....."just at different intervals based on variables, x, y z etc."



Tell me please how is that any different than me stating:

Of course, as you noted, this depends greatly on how the car is treated, driven and stored. A car, kept as a garage queen, may never need to be waxed, especially if cared for properly.

I highlighted the words "depends" and "may" because I never made an absolute statement that cars NEVER need to be clayed because there are factors to always consider, such as "x,y and z".



Do you believe all I do all day is hang around and test products? My words, "not yet confirmed" does not mean it has not been tested but it has not been FULLY tested. The Sonus clay, being very mild, seemed to have little to no effect on it. Have I tested all types or grades of clay? Nope, I sure haven't.



Lastly, I again, NEVER stated that the coating will NOT take on added swirls and scratches but that it MAY......again, *MAY* help to reduce them and their severity.



I am not a scientist nor a chemist so if you want a "technical" explanation on HOW and WHY it works then call Doctor G. and ask him. It then makes me wonder if you ask for a technical explanation from everyone who posts on a product and/or seek that information from the manufacturers of all the products you use?



Anthony

 

[Anthony O.]

Sorry, but this "new coating" sounds no different to me then some of the long lasting sealents out on the market. You say it is a polymer product but with new technology (even though you don't claim to know what that "new technology" is) but everything I'm reading is telling me it's just another long lasting polymer sealant that is marketed differently.



IMO, the fact that you guys are marketing it to dealerships and not detailers tells me alot as well. A truely great product will sell like crazy to detailers as we are informed and knowledgable in this area but dealerships are not and there's no real way to prove the protection or keep accountable the 3 year evidence on a customers car.



Josh

Josh, what have you been reading? What is everyone reading here because no one seems to be reading this thread.



This coating IS being marketed to detailers and not dealers. The detailers in turn can then use the coating......or any coating for that matter, as an UPSELL to their clients as well as dealers.



Again this is not a sealant in the traditional sense but the bottom line is that every product will have its skeptics, and that's cool.....that's America. Until people actually use it though their claims are only speculation.



Anthony

 

[Anthony O.]

Great sounding product with multiple markets.



Do we have a *rough* ETA?

We are testing soon one more method of application. The product is ready for sale but one more last minute idea will be tested.

well, after spending the time to read this entire thread a couple of things stand out. 1) the original poster has spent ALOT of time/effort defending his statements. 2) the "information" is seemingly incomplete at best after repeated attemps to explain it. 3) the product just doesn't make sense if you are in the "business" of car care. 4) the claims seem a little "over the top" given the real world of how the vast majority of car owners care for and use their vehicles. 5) this is just another "version" of the snake oil that's been around since the 1970's, IMHP. and last but not least, time is money. why spend so much time trying to defend this "new" product? it's a sale thread, that's why. this is just MY opinion. what ever floats your boat. :nervous::tumblewee :birthday:

Hey jimmie, excuse my bluntness here but my original post is about what? Is it about how and why this product works? Nope, it's about how detailers can increase their profits using this coating. Obviously some people want to know more about it and I have done my best to explain it.



So I am attempting to reply as best I can BUT what would be the response from others, perhaps yourself, if I ignored all those posts? I would then be called all kinds of names so I am damned by you if I reply and then damned if I wouldn't. Tell me please what should I do? You may seek to reply to this and "defend" your original post, correct? Nothing wrong with that so don't get on me for doing the same.



The rest of your post is again speculation because you have not yet used the product.



Anthony

 

[Alfisti]

why spend so much time trying to defend this "new" product?

Because so many are bashing this product with little intelligence. :argue



Rather than not understanding Anthony O's posts, I don't understand the 'bashing ' posts.



Really guys, take a cold shower and re-read the thread. :ignore

 

[Driven Auto Detail]

Anthony -



Thanks for sharing what you can about Optimum's new product. It's unfortunate that some of the people here can't understand you can't disclose 100% of the details at this moment in time. Obviously, being a tester for the product, you only know so much and since it's still in the development stages, only so many details can be shared.



From what I've seen and heard, it looks like a very interesting and possibly very profitable product for professional detailers.



I look forward to hearing and seeing more about this product.



:xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs

 

[Bert]

Sorry, but this "new coating" sounds no different to me then some of the long lasting sealents out on the market. You say it is a polymer product but with new technology (even though you don't claim to know what that "new technology" is) but everything I'm reading is telling me it's just another long lasting polymer sealant that is marketed differently.

I would not be surprised if Dr. G is being quiet on the ingredients in this product and how they work to protect the trade secrets that went into making the product. The last thing I would want to do is invest large sums of money, time and effort into a product only for its technology to be released and my competitors to have an easy way to make a competing product which is only different enough to prevent patent infringement but ultimately is a competing product they achieved easily by learning what I put a lot of effort into creating.



This is not new. When I audited large manufacturing companies, many of their products were made in a way that was a carefully guarded secret. All the employees who were involved signed cofidentiality agreements to prevent them from leaking the information. I had to sign that confidentiality agreement because part of my testing procedures involved that manufacturing process. So did their customers know EXACTLY how the product worked, no. Did they still have confidence in the product due to customer reviews and their own testing of the product, yes.



This is similar to detailing products. Do I know how Collinite is so durable unlike 95% of other carnauaba waxes, no. Would I still trust using it based upon the recommendations of guys like Accumulator, of course. So I plan on having an open mind on the product and just see what others say about the product when they post their reviews on this board and at that point, I can make a decision if this product is for me.

IMO, the fact that you guys are marketing it to dealerships and not detailers tells me alot as well. A truely great product will sell like crazy to detailers as we are informed and knowledgable in this area but dealerships are not and there's no real way to prove the protection or keep accountable the 3 year evidence on a customers car.



Josh

This product may not be for the car that is polished twice a year like many of the cars that most of the posters on here deal with. But, for 99% of cars on the road which never get polished or clay once, this may be the perfect product for them. My uncle may be a good candidate for this product. He has terrible arthritis in his hands and claying/polishing/and waxing are out of the question. Washing his Corvette is difficult enough. Four and a half years ago (when I knew absolutely nothing about detailing) he had Zxilon (whatever it is called) put on his car for free. Due to the arthritis (and the fact that it was free) it was probably a sound decision for him. His Vette still looks pretty good. Would a paint correction detail make it look better, of course. Does it look better than the majority of 4-5 year old cars on the road, yes. So I would say this Optimum coating would be a pretty good idea for him