2005 Cadillac STS Commercial (Party's Over)

Since this thread is already starting to turn into an import vs. domestic war, this is my last post in it.



Sure I'd take a CTS-V over an M5. How many people know there's a 400hp LS6 under the hood? Not many. I've never been a big fan of BMW's,, and especially don't like the way the newer ones look. To each his own.
 
MattZ28 said:
Since this thread is already starting to turn into an import vs. domestic war, this is my last post in it.



Not my intention at all!!



MattZ28 said:
I've never been a big fan of BMW's,, and especially don't like the way the newer ones look. To each his own.



I couldn't agree with this more! I think that they have ruined the looks of some very handsome cars in the process!
 
MattZ28 said:
Since this thread is already starting to turn into an import vs. domestic war, this is my last post in it.



Sure I'd take a CTS-V over an M5. How many people know there's a 400hp LS6 under the hood? Not many. I've never been a big fan of BMW's,, and especially don't like the way the newer ones look. To each his own.

I'd take the CTS-V over the M5 as well. I'm already fairly adept at the LS1 based motors, and adding more horsepower is reletively cheap when you look at the big picture
 
I think the biggest problem with the new 5 is the wheels bmw puts on them, way to small and plain. I'm sure the new m5 will have a nice set of wheels, change the stance and look alot.
 
The resale price of any car, domestic or import, is dependent on the supply and demand of the car in the used market. For the last 15+ years the perception, right or wrong, has been that certain models of imports are just better cars than their domestic counterparts and the result is a stronger demand in the used the market with higher resale prices. You can see the opposite in some of the truck segments of the used market with the domestics having stronger resale values. Other factors such as the demographics of the averaged used car buyer must also be considered. For example, high priced luxury vehicle buyers usually don’t look for used 1-2 year old models, therefore the initial depreciation is dramatic for such high end vehicles.



Reputation, volume, model selection, public perceptions, etc. all are important to resale values. Honda and Toyota (and their luxury off shoots Acura and Lexus, respectively) have done an excellent job in building a reputation of building vehicles that are exceptionally reliable and durable. This has resulted in most of their models holding their value very well. But not all import manufacturers have this reputation. Nissan and Mazda have struggled along with most of the Korean manufacturers. In general the European manufacturers have also struggled with Audi and Volkswagen models depreciating terribly. Certain models of BMW and MB hold their value relatively well but most of their expensive models suffer from very stiff depreciation curves from the luxury buyers syndrome.



Personally, I think used vehicles are the only way to go. Vehicle durability has increased so much and the popularity of changing vehicles every 2-3 years has resulted in a glut of quality used cars and great prices. Even the traditional resale price power houses suffer $1000’s in depreciation the first couple of years.
 
I don't see how this has become a war of any kind. Seems like a nice civil discussion to me.



As for resale, being foreign isn't the be all and end all to resale value. Look at Acuras and Infinitis, they have resale comparable to Cadillacs. Lexus is better but not as good as BMW or Benz. A lot of it has to do with how a car is sold new. If you can get really significant discounts off of a car when new then that automatically lowers the price on the car if its traded down the line. Resale is compared to the MSRP, not the price people are spending. This is becoming Lexus' problem as its getting to where you can expect to pay no more than $1000 or so over invoice for a Lexus. I got over $4,000 off the price of mine. That means that I could have, in theory turned around and sold it at a profit if I were to believe the depreciated value tables. That means people in the market for a car 1 or 2 years old can conceivably buy a new one for what dealers are asking for the used ones which drives resale down even lower. BMW and Mercedes have been able to keep this from happening by refusing to allow steep discounts on their cars.



The worst thing Cadillac can do is let these cars go out the door for $6000 off sticker with all the GM buy power smartlease custsomer cash mumbo jumbo like they do the rest of their cars.



Its easy to say that you would take a CTS over a BMW or a CTS-V over an M5 but with all due respect (and I don't mean anything by this) but you can't really say that. I may be wrong but I doubt most of us have the means to go out and compare these particular cars. Cadillac is trying to appeal to affluent carbuyers and get them OUT of the cars they drive now. Do you really thing John CEO thats pulling down 400k is going to drive a STS when he could drive a S500 or a 745Li? No way. You might be able to get him out of an LS430 just for the novelty value but not the big swingers like Benz and BMW. The following for these cars is cult like and the STS has to be a LOT better in many ways than the one I drove was to undo that.
 
The new M5 isn't out.. and I'm sure it will be awesome. But everyone has to admit, the new Cadillac is awesome too, I'd drive and XLR, CTS, or STS. Good job GM (no thanks to bob lutz)!



I have an S4 and didnt consider caddy, my next purchase probably will.



Commercial is here:



http://www.methodstudios.com/mot582
 
I'm not saying I'd buy it. For the first time, I will consider American against the likes of BMW, Audi, and Infiniti. I'll drive it and then decide. I really dislike Lexus, they offer nothing very cool, but maybe reliability and even that's becoming questionable. Acura's front wheel drive is a real downer, it's fast but it just doesn't feel like a bimmer or audi(quattro). I love the new styling on the cadillac too, its sharp and original.
 
drayab said:
Good job GM (no thanks to bob lutz)!




I don't know, I think you have to give Lutz some credit. It wasn't really until he came on board that Cadillac was revived and brought out of the dark ages of designing and producing some horrible vehicles.



However, beside Caddy and the new Corvette and maybe a couple of other vehicles...GM is still struggling.
 
I am sure it is a nice car, but are you sure you would choose it over the new M5 with 500hp?



Well, you could just about buy 2 CTS-Vs for the price of one of the new M5s when they come out. Aren't they going to be pretty close to $100K by the time you pay taxes, etc? The Caddy starts at $51K or so.



Caddy is working on a STS-V!
 
L33 said:
I think the biggest problem with the new 5 is the wheels bmw puts on them, way to small and plain. I'm sure the new m5 will have a nice set of wheels, change the stance and look alot.



:up



It is absolutely amazing what a set of wheels can do to a car. Take the 528 with the mesh 16" wheels--:down Then take the 540i sport with the factory 7 series split spoke 18's---:up :bow
 
As my Detroit--"industry insider" pal likes to say--buy two, you can always drive one when the other one is in the shop!



CAD, BMW and MB are capturing the market on break-in blues and warranty frustration...
 
boeman said:
I'd take the CTS-V over the M5 as well. I'm already fairly adept at the LS1 based motors, and adding more horsepower is reletively cheap when you look at the big picture



Add my vote to that, too. CTS-V rocks.
 
Joe K -- 01 Green said:
As my Detroit--"industry insider" pal likes to say--buy two, you can always drive one when the other one is in the shop!



CAD, BMW and MB are capturing the market on break-in blues and warranty frustration...



Actually, Lexus, BMW, and Cadillac are kickin' butt, sales-wise. MB is down a tiny bit. They (MB) have had some serious quality problems with the C-Class and the Alabama built M-Class, and it's starting to cost them some market share.



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