#20/nxt

Scottwax

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Mike was kind enough to include a bottle of #20 Polymer Sealant with my NXT order and since I hadn't used it in a while, I thought I would test it out.



First test, like always was the top of my washing machine (I've got the shiniest washing machine in the world, I think!) and the first thing I noticed was the #20 was thicker and smelled a lot better than I remembered. It also dried more clearly. The label says new label but same formula, but somehow I don't think so. #20 seems to have been reformulated in the last few years. Next thing I noticed was a nice slick feeling and good gloss.



Now on to real vehicles. I had a Chevy Tahoe and F250 to detail and the paint was in very good shape on both of them. I just had some minor blemish polishing to do with DACP, otherwise the paint on both were only in need of some light cleaning/polishing....something along the lines of AIO...no real surface correction, just to completely clean the surface. #20 has light cleaners and polishes in it (doesn't seem abrasive though) and leaves behind a polymer protection. Since I've had good luck with AIO/NXT, decided to try #20/NXT.



#20 goes on very easily, hazes and is able to be buffed off very quickly. Honestly, I think it is more user friendly than NXT is. I applied to two sections at a time then went back over and simply wiped off the excess. There was a slight brightening and improvement in gloss of the paint after applying and removing #20 compared to the paint that I hadn't yet applied #20 to. My customer came out to see how far along I was after I had finished using #20 on the Tahoe and about 2/3rds of the F250 and commented on how nice both vehicles looked, then ran his hand along the side of the Tahoe and mentioned how smooth the paint now felt.



I then applied NXT to both vehicles, then went back and removed the excess. NXT buffs off pretty easily, but not as easy as the #20 did. Low 40s, humid and windy probably doesn't help NXT cure quickly. Maybe when it gets warmer NXT will buff off as quickly (not to say NXT is a PITA to use, just in comparison...). Anyway, adding NXT to the mix darkened the color a bit and noticably improved depth. Slickness felt similar but my experience has been that NXT gets slicker a few hours after applied, so if I had hung around this guy's house until 8 PM (not likely!), I may have noticed increased slickness. My customer was very pleased with how both vehicles looked. I took pics, but probably won't get this roll developed for a few days yet....but I will add the pics to this thread when I have them.



My initial impression is that #20/NXT would be a nice combo on finishes that are in very good to excellent condition where abrasive polishing is not needed. Is the #20/NXT combo going to be extra durable since both are polymers? I don't know. I would guess whatever carrier solvents in NXT may remove at least some of the polymer protecant in #20 but it won't affect #20's paint cleaning ability.



Why not just use one or the other? Regardless of whether or not NXT has any cleaning ability, whatever it does actually have is very light compared to #20. NXT is billed as a last step product and I'll continue to use it that way. #20 has a nice glossy look, but depth is about average, so using NXT makes the paint look noticably deeper.



Hopefully I will have pics to go with this thread in a few days. I have three shots left,on this roll.
 
Thanks for the review Scott. With curing time between coats I believe there would be less of a potential of complete #20 removal. :nixweiss

All in all sound like a good and reasonable combination.
 
Nice write up!



Solvents in NXT?? I thought there were none?? So if I were to apply Hand Polish and top with NXT, the Hand Polish would be somewhat reomved??



Also, Scott, what camera and film do you use for taking pics for developing?



Sorry to go off topic.



Thanks.
 
Splichy...the M-81-32 topped with NXT would be fine, and would not remove M-81-32..Actually that's sound's like a really nice combo especially on black or blood red...I agree Scott on M-20-16 it's a great product..easy on easy off..
 
Thanks for the review because that's exactly the combo that I intend to try when the weather improves
 
I've always liked #20 for door jambs and the engine bay. I hesitate to use it on the outside of my car because if you don't get it all off then it will stain the surface yellow. I left some on my door jamb once and I've still got the yellow stain to remember it by. Its a good sealant that has great durability in my opinion. With the choices of Klasse, UPP, Zaino and other sealants that look so much better all by themselves, I just have had a hard time using it anywhere other than areas that need protection but aren't seen very often.



Great review and comparison. #20 versus NXT was a comparison I was looking forward to trying as well. The two flagships of Meguiar's sealants running head to head. It would be interesting.
 
81 and NXT is excellent, very wet.



I thought about #20 and NXT, and decided on GC/NXT instead. I wanted the darkening of the GC and the reputed protection of the NXT. If I'd've thought about it, I'd've done #7/GC/NXT.



I like that all this stuff is compatible. If something looks bad, it's no big deal, you can put something else over it.





Tom
 
Spilchy said:
Nice write up!



Solvents in NXT?? I thought there were none?? So if I were to apply Hand Polish and top with NXT, the Hand Polish would be somewhat reomved??



Also, Scott, what camera and film do you use for taking pics for developing?



Sorry to go off topic.



Thanks.



I think most liquid waxes/sealants have some degree of solvent carriers. NXT will remove light tar spots which leads me to believe it does have some solvents in it. Maybe Mike Phillips can clarify this for us.



I have a Nikon N60 camera and I use Kodaks High Definition 400 ASA 35mm film. I have it developed at Wolf Camera and get a picture CD along with the prints.
 
Hi Scott, Hi Inzane,



While not a chemists, I know there are some solvents in the #20 Polymer Sealant as well as some light chemical cleaners.



Solvents, or more precisely, Petroleum Distillates



(From the new Meguiar's FAQ)



The petroleum distillates Meguiar’s uses are:



* Environmentally Safe

* Contain No Aromatic Hydrocarbons

* Contain No other Serious Air Pollutants



They are also distilled multiple times to remove:



* Carcinogens

* Reproductive Toxins

* Multiple other Impurities



You will be hard pressed to find another automotive appearance care company that goes to the extent Meguiar’s goes to in order to create products that are both environmentally safe as well as safe for use by their customers.



The Chemical Cleaners

#20 Polymer Sealant is a high water and detergent resistant paint protectant. It is not a strong cleaner wax because it is not intended for extremely neglected cars but for cars whose finish is in good to excellent condition.



The chemical cleaners give the product just enough cleaning action to insure a clean surface so that the polymers can cross link, or bond to the finish.



Most people want a wax that lasts for a long time. The question is often asked, "How long will a wax last"



The answer is determined by multiple factors, but one of the most important factor is, "How well is the surface prepared to accept a wax"



Thus, a light amount of chemical cleaners are present to insure a clean surface so that the polymers can bond so that the wax will last a long time so that the customer will be happy.



How's that?



By the way Scott, I have a new found respect for anyone doing all of their work by hand. I tend to use a machine whenever I can, especially for extremely neglected finishes.



Today, I detailed a 1986 Ford Bronco II by hand for a before and after using our new extra strength cleaner wax, ColorX



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2006Broncohoodbefore.jpg




I'm preparing After photos for uploading to the gallery right now. Then, off to the hot tub to relax my arms, shoulders and back.



New found respect for those that do everything by hand and new appreciation for Mr. Rotary and Mr. PC.



Mike



p.s.



#20 is a great product. In the past it is the first wax I would layer before a pure wax after doing a Complete. It wipes off incredibly easy and leaves the surface with a very dry slick finish. Chemist told me it has undergone 2, 3, 4 different formula changes since about 1988/1989.
 
Mike Phillips said:


The chemical cleaners give the product just enough cleaning action to insure a clean surface so that the polymers can cross link, or bond to the finish.




If in does in fact need a clean surface to bond to, then how does it work over #7?
 
Scottwax said:
Ah...much better!



Nice work, Mike! You do need to slap your friend for letting his truck get that bad though. ;)



(He's a California Highway Patrol Officer, I don't think I'll be slapping him anytime soon!, maybe I'll wax his other car to be nice if you know what I mean)



Mike
 
Wow. Those shots of the red Tahoe are simply stunning.



I can't wait till the weather warms up so I can try some NXT!
 
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