trashmanssd
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That took me a second to translate. Thanks to my job I have to know how to read stupid as a second language.
$15.00 minimum wage - thoughts?
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Dogfather
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The safety net has indeed become a hammock.
0inDetail0
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Where has a capitalistic society have gotten us. We have a broken economy, The government is trillions of dollars in debt, The stock market is well over 17K yet none of it has trickled down to the middle and lower classes in forms of jobs and better education in public schools.
We bailed out the car companies, we bailed out the banks now after Obama care and the healthcare industry gets all nice and fat and it starts getting fleeced we will bail them out. We should have just said no to the banks and let the economy crash. The banks made billions and billions of dollars in mistakes and they all got massive hand outs.
Average hard working americans like myself and many others cannot get a little help for a rough patch.
Yes I'm a little ticked at big corporations for taking handouts. I screw up at my job I get fired. We should have all just let them drown and started over from scratch. The american people let that slip by and the government did not even give us a say in the matter no voting in that disaster.
They just stuck fear in our faces so we would just look the other way and have our pockets picked.
My wife and I are going to our mortgage lender this week to see if we can work something out to get a lower payment. After saving their backsides I would expect a little help in return. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Yes starting over may be drastic but at this point it seems like a good thing to do. Government is not getting anything right except looking out for the best interests of big business while we get stuck paying for a trillion + dollars of debt and the people who are paying it are getting nothing in return.
Dogfather
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The banks should have said no to the people with bad credit like they did for decades. Unfortunately the fear of lawsuits from Reno's Justice Dept. and Andrew Cuomo's HUD prevented them from doing so.
True, wealth isn't trickling down much at the moment. Corporate America is sitting on billions right now and will continue to do so until they're reassured this is indeed a capitalist society. The last two election cycles did nothing to convey that. It seems the electorate prefers trickle up poverty.
The Driver
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Not for anything, but that has happened with the rest of the world. Look at chinas upper class an lower...
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
You seem to have a pretty good grasp on where we're at but also seem to be blaming a capitalistic society (read free market economy) for the mistakes of big government. In a true capitalistic society the banks would have gone belly up, auto manufacturers would have shut down, people who can't afford a house would't be in one they can't pay for and the debt wouldn't be what we now face.
There are certainly hard lumps society must take with capitalism but the market adjusts itself, these adjustments are both frequent and difficult but in the end don't add up to one big pill that can't be swallowed. It's big government that hasn't understood that you can't spend what you don't have. Their intervention (trying to minimize the pain) is what has left us where we are, a society that wants something or someone to do everything for it. Groups of people and an entire generation who feel entitled to anything and everything as long as it doesn't hurt and they don't have to work for it. Heaven help our children. These are two distinctly different issues. Which of the two are you really mad at? Is it capitalism or big government?
0inDetail0
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Both to be honest. I'm in the younger part of the generation that helped screw the economy up because they have that sense that they don't have to work for anything because they have a degree from Yale. The MTV generation is a bunch of selfish idiots that never realized they have an obligation to society (our's being capitalism and a democratic government.)
This is the same generation that spoils the kids and gives them anything they want. So it's a social issue, capitalist issue and a government issue.
I live outside of Philly and know teachers who work in Philly. They don't have school nurses, some schools don't have gym, teachers are working in multiple schools teaching different subjects to way too many students. What message does that send a child. My country does not care about my education. We wonder why kids drop out end up in fast food, have too many babies and can't make ends meet.
So capitalism should not get bailed out for screwing up.
America needs to worry about America and stop playing middle east cop unless it directly effects a US citizen. Build a wall and lock out Mexico and the rest of South America and worry about your people in your country. Stop borrowing and lending to other countries Then maybe we might see some real change.
This is the same generation that spoils the kids and gives them anything they want. So it's a social issue, capitalist issue and a government issue.
I live outside of Philly and know teachers who work in Philly. They don't have school nurses, some schools don't have gym, teachers are working in multiple schools teaching different subjects to way too many students. What message does that send a child. My country does not care about my education. We wonder why kids drop out end up in fast food, have too many babies and can't make ends meet.
So capitalism should not get bailed out for screwing up.
America needs to worry about America and stop playing middle east cop unless it directly effects a US citizen. Build a wall and lock out Mexico and the rest of South America and worry about your people in your country. Stop borrowing and lending to other countries Then maybe we might see some real change.
Stokdgs
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You seem to have a pretty good grasp on where we're at but also seem to be blaming a capitalistic society (read free market economy) for the mistakes of big government. In a true capitalistic society the banks would have gone belly up, auto manufacturers would have shut down, people who can't afford a house would't be in one they can't pay for and the debt wouldn't be what we now face.
There are certainly hard lumps society must take with capitalism but the market adjusts itself, these adjustments are both frequent and difficult but in the end don't add up to one big pill that can't be swallowed. It's big government that hasn't understood that you can't spend what you don't have. Their intervention (trying to minimize the pain) is what has left us where we are, a society that wants something or someone to do everything for it. Groups of people and an entire generation who feel entitled to anything and everything as long as it doesn't hurt and they don't have to work for it. Heaven help our children. These are two distinctly different issues. Which of the two are you really mad at? Is it capitalism or big government?
Amen, my Brother !
Dan F
Bunky
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Had all the banks and financial been allowed to collapse, we would still be in a depression. In the first depression, bank laws were changed to help prevent money from drying up but the laws were relaxed in 2000 or so. The depression would have put a lot more people out of a job.
The challenge in the US is that the manufacturing jobs that usually come back after a recession/depression are not coming back (they are in other countries) so the lower skilled people have a harder time finding jobs this time around. Many companies are sitting on piles of cash and lots going into the stock market which is why it is a record levels.
bswombaugh
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There is no doubt that we have lost some manufacturing jobs overseas but I think that the reason a lot of companies are not hiring and sitting on cash is because of all the uncertainty of the extra taxation and federal regulations that are coming to bear on their businesses.
Obomacare is being forced down their throats along with a push for much greater EPA regulations and the such. If many of these new EPA laws go into effect its going to create a financial hardship on not only businesses but the average family as well. It has been estimated that many people would see their utility bills almost double in price. Less profits for businesses equals less hiring and higher product cost. Higher cost for families equals less disposable income which in turn leads to less profits and a sluggish economy which further hurts job creation.
Government taxation and "giveaway programs" are going to destroy the financial health of this country. We are already well on our way to that demise.
AndrewBigA
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ill never pay someone $15 an hour to work for me. id rather work alone.
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
The key problem in the country is political paralysis in Congress. They only act when there is a third party to hate when not fighting each other. They are wasting a lot of time and money.
Stokdgs
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Ronkh
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You seem to have a pretty good grasp on where we're at but also seem to be blaming a capitalistic society (read free market economy) for the mistakes of big government. In a true capitalistic society the banks would have gone belly up, auto manufacturers would have shut down, people who can't afford a house would't be in one they can't pay for and the debt wouldn't be what we now face.
There are certainly hard lumps society must take with capitalism but the market adjusts itself, these adjustments are both frequent and difficult but in the end don't add up to one big pill that can't be swallowed. It's big government that hasn't understood that you can't spend what you don't have. Their intervention (trying to minimize the pain) is what has left us where we are, a society that wants something or someone to do everything for it. Groups of people and an entire generation who feel entitled to anything and everything as long as it doesn't hurt and they don't have to work for it. Heaven help our children. These are two distinctly different issues. Which of the two are you really mad at? Is it capitalism or big government?
you silver tongue devil
Ronkh
Wax Waster
Have some fun and find out how much they are paying their teachers. Both dollars and bennies. Then find out how much a nearby "higher" end suburban area is paying
Also find out how much it cost per student for both school systems.
Make your own conclusions
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
you silver tongue devil
Made it clearn through 6th grade. I is learned. No one told me that when we were finished in one building that there were more grades. I guesst we wuz dun. :crazy2:
Ronkh
Wax Waster
I think you was starin at ellie mae
GearHead_1
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Ronkh
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