106FF fighting me

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DanSTi

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I'm in the middle of doing a one step polish on a Porsche 997 and I'm using 106FF on a LC CCS White pad with my makita at 1600rpm. The 106 is behaving very strangely though. After a very short time it seems to be breaking down and the pad starts skipping like crazy. This has never happened to me with this combo, and I've even used it on this paint before in lower temps. It's around 60 degrees out right now. Has this happened to anyone else? Is there something I can add to the 106 to make it cooperate?
 
Sounds like it isnt breaking down properly and gumming up. Try using less or try a different polish. If you dont have a different polish, then try a CCS blue pad and see what happens. id also wipe the surface down with some alcohol first. If you're using halogens, make sure the light isnt heating up the panel.
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
Sounds like it isnt breaking down properly and gumming up. Try using less or try a different polish. If you dont have a different polish, then try a CCS blue pad and see what happens. id also wipe the surface down with some alcohol first. If you're using halogens, make sure the light isnt heating up the panel.
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I'll see that recommendation and add that the green "german" CCS pad works well on Porsche paint with 106ff.
 
I just tried a CCS grey and it worked much better but still a little bit of skipping. I do have a 7.5" CCS green pad so maybe I'll give that a try. I really ought to expand my polish selection for situations like this...
 
Mist on a little distilled water, may be the polish was not fully mixed or did not get fully shaken up in between using it. Sounds as if the lubrication oils are on the light side in this batch.



You can also contact Menzerna USA about this issue and they may want the batch number etc. You may get a fresh one out of it.



Also, Porsche 997 paint is very soft, it doesn't take much to marr it. Look at it the wrong way and see what happens.:grinno:



Regards,

Deanski
 
Did you clay the paint first? Maybe the surface is just a bit rough or has some contaminents on it causing a weird polish breakdown.
 
Just another suggestion,try cutting the rpm's to 1000-1100 and using a little more pressure at first when you make the first pass on a panal.
 
pick up some UF and IP.



Mix the 2 together for an excellent polish.

Mix them 80/20, 70/30, 60/40, 50/50, your in control of how you want it.



Green german pads, black, and blues are a must.
 
I have SIP, maybe I'll head over to my local 3M supplier and grab some UF since I've been hearing great things. I have green, black and blue pads but the black and blue don't really have enough cut for what I'm doing. I'm finishing up the car today so I'll go out and try the white pad again just to make sure it wasn't a weird weather thing and if that doesn't work I'll move to plan B. Thanks for the input everyone :)
 
Oh and I just had another idea. Maybe I can mix some SIP into the 106 to give it enough cut to use it on a black pad and still have it finish down nicely? Or maybe I'll stick with the white pad and mix in some RMG 20/80 to help lubricate and extend the working time of the 106.
 
I would not mix anything with Menzerna except distilled water. You have no idea on what effect another product may have when mixed. Abrasives and lubrication oils used in one product may not be so compatable with another. Not that you'll have any nasty reaction, but one may cancel the other out in terms of abrasives or lube.



It's a bad habbit for some to blend polishes, you never know what you're gonna get (Forest Gump quote).



I trust polish mfgs such as 3M, Menzerna, Meguairs... all the larger polish/abrasive companies. It's the smaller ones that may already "mixing" different polishes to gain an effect. Larger firms have test facilities, labs etc. Therefore, I leave the polish alone.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Well I mixed in a bit of RMG with the 106 and it made it much more workable. For the future though I'll be picking up some UF for use on softer clears.
 
You could try an IPA wipe down, sometimes the paint has wax or car wash silicone on the paint that causes problems.
 
Dan, I have experienced this on a few occasions when buffing softer paint as well. 106ff seems to get very "grabby". It is made for scratch resistant clearcoats, so this is why it tends to act up on certain softer paints.



Ultrafina is my go-to finishing polish on softer paints. It doesn't have as much cut as the 106ff, but finishes off better in my opinion. They are both great polishes to have in your arsenal.
 
I've also experienced this gumming on very soft older Mercedes paint. I added some distilled waterr and it helped. RickRack makes a very good point though that 106ff IS made for SRclearcoats so use something more suited for softer clears.
 
RickRack said:
Dan, I have experienced this on a few occasions when buffing softer paint as well. 106ff seems to get very "grabby". It is made for scratch resistant clearcoats, so this is why it tends to act up on certain softer paints.



Ultrafina is my go-to finishing polish on softer paints. It doesn't have as much cut as the 106ff, but finishes off better in my opinion. They are both great polishes to have in your arsenal.
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Thanks for the advice. I know UF is a great finishing polish for soft clears but what would be a good medium cut polish to use in this situation? Is OP a good all around solution or is there something else in the Menzerna line I should look at?
 
Deanski said:
I would not mix anything with Menzerna except distilled water. You have no idea on what effect another product may have when mixed. Abrasives and lubrication oils used in one product may not be so compatable with another. Not that you'll have any nasty reaction, but one may cancel the other out in terms of abrasives or lube.



It's a bad habbit for some to blend polishes, you never know what you're gonna get (Forest Gump quote).



I trust polish mfgs such as 3M, Menzerna, Meguairs... all the larger polish/abrasive companies. It's the smaller ones that may already "mixing" different polishes to gain an effect. Larger firms have test facilities, labs etc. Therefore, I leave the polish alone.



Regards,

Deanski
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I agree. :werd:
 
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