105, 205... then what? Sealant? Wax? Both?

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kdlp

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After I wash, clay bar, M105 and M205... I'm assuming there's nothing left but clear coat with no protection. So (on a daily driver that lives outside), am I better off with sealant? or a quality (boutique) wax? .... or both?



Certain times of the year I may have to go 4 to 5 months in rain/slush/snow without the car getting a real take it down to the base wash/wax.



And if sealant is the answer, what are some of the better sealants? I have some recommendations for machine :buffing: applied waxes, but I'd welcome some new ideas there too.



Thanks for any help,



kdlp
 
For what its worth I am in Anchorage and am in the same boat. A 2 car garage full of crap and 3 cars that sit out all winter. I go with a good prep and a base of KAIO with a P21S topper as late in the year as possible. I know the P21S doesn't last all winter but the KAIO will get me through until breakup and still have some life left in it. I know there are more modern sealants that are probably as good, or even better but the 16oz jug of KAIO I started with is still partially full and still gives me great results. I will wash with ONR if we have a semi decent day, and have been known to sneak into the wand wash bays late at night with my 2 gamma sealed buckets when it is really cold just to get a good wash. I am sure the ONR contributes to the long life from the KAIO. If I depended on the touchless washes it would probably be stripped off by New years.



Chilly
 
2007TBSS said:
What car? What color?
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There are 2... the first is a 2010 Dodge Ram, color is Austin Tan pearl.... a medium tint color with a lot of pearl. The second is a dark green 2000 Subaru that hadn't been touched in about 5 years. I did the 105/205 PC treatment and cleaned up a lot of nastiness, but I'll hit it again before winter now that I'm a little smarter.



kdlp
 
chilly said:
I go with a good prep and a base of KAIO with a P21S topper as late in the year as possible. I know the P21S doesn't last all winter but the KAIO will get me through until breakup and still have some life left in it. I know there are more modern sealants that are probably as good, or even better but the 16oz jug of KAIO I started with is still partially full and still gives me great results. I will wash with ONR if we have a semi decent day, and have been known to sneak into the wand wash bays late at night with my 2 gamma sealed buckets when it is really cold just to get a good wash. I am sure the ONR contributes to the long life from the KAIO. If I depended on the touchless washes it would probably be stripped off by New years.



Chilly
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I hear you regarding the touchless washes...



You guys seem to be getting your share of rain this year. That doesn't help the cause too much unless you have a garage you can sneak into.



Thanks for the info, it's nice to know that there's someone else out there without 24/7/365 sunshine and a pair of four post lifts in their 4 stall garage.



kdlp
 
Just read about the collinite 845.



What about blackfire wet diamond?



What if you top the collinite with the BFWD? Probably not necessary?



I too have to go through a long winter.
 
I tried the sealant route last year with the Klasse twins (4 coats of SG) and I really wasn't impressed. I live in Alaska as well and my car sits in the garage, but I have to drive 840 miles round trip once a month for work. It didn't seem to hold up as well as I though it would.

I just got done prepping for this years winter and went with 2 coats of 845 and then 2 coats of 885 on top of that. From what I have learned off this forum, this should hold up pretty well.
 
Scroder said:
I tried the sealant route last year with the Klasse twins (4 coats of SG) and I really wasn't impressed. ...I just got done prepping for this years winter and went with 2 coats of 845 and then 2 coats of 885 on top of that. From what I have learned off this forum, this should hold up pretty well.
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I use Collinite and KSG on my winter dog-haulers, have for years.



IMO the big problem was that you stopped at 4 layers with the KSG, I do six and those two extra ones seem to really make a diff.



I'll be interested to hear how the Collinite compares. It worked well for me, lasting until spring, and I wouldn't be surprised if it beats four layers of KSG (wouldn't beat 6 though ;) ). If you notice it getting iffy, try a quickie coat of 845; I kinda prefer the 845/476s or 885/845 sandwich, which is lasting great on my beater-Audi.
 
redwhisky said:
Just read about the collinite 845.



What about blackfire wet diamond?



What if you top the collinite with the BFWD? Probably not necessary?



I too have to go through a long winter.
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Collinite 845IW and Black Fire Wet Diamond is a great combination that I use for my winter prep details. The durability and looks are great.



Only thing you need to know is, you have put down the BFWD first and let it cure for 12 hrs., and then top it with the 845. Always lay down the sealant first.
 
I've been away from the computer for a few days and hadn't had a chance to thank everyone for their responses. As usual none of the products recommended are available locally so I'll have to do some web shopping. In any case, thanks for the ideas... looks like the 845 will be the top coat and I'll sort out the polish for the first coats based on what I can find online.



Thanks again for the hints and help!



kdlp
 
Dave1 said:
But, have you tried eight coats yet.......?





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Heh heh heh...remember, I'm doing some pretty big vehicles here :D And by the time I do a full detail followed by six days of layering I need to get that vehicle back into service. OTHERWISE, yeah, I *would* try more :D



Just kidding...six layers lasts soooo long that I have no need for more. I don't mind putting on another quick coat after [you wouldn't believe how many] months. And most normal people probably polish/start over every year or so anyhow.
 
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