01 Corvette - Swirls and Scratches

M|R

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Hey guys,

I have a torch red 01 Corvette that is in great condition (paint wise) until you really start looking at it. It has some light/maybe moderate fine scratches along the paint that is most likely from the previous owner and some of which are from my "washings" before I was enlightened by the proper techniques :wall

Like I said, once you get up close, you can see these scratches and such but they aren't deep at all, the majority of them I cant feel with my fingernail. I was considering getting a PC7424 but have no clue what kind of products/pads to use with it this is where you guys come in :D

Right now I use Meguiars NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and I keep a good coat on there. It looks really good and it shines nice :rockon but the fine marks and "swirls" (I suppose) bother me, especially in my garage where there are florescent lights above the car. I tried to take some pictures but I couldn't get the marks to show up because of how bright the red paint is. I should also add that I do clay the car once a year and wax the car regularly.

So guys, please help me figure out how to spend my money and get these imperfections fixed before she gets tucked away for winter. :bigups
 
Wash her and tuck her away as is. Spend the winter reading and watching video's and asking questions. Get a flex not a PC since your paint is so hard. Do a ton or research and then, clean her up in the spring for the season.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Welcome to AutopiaForums M|R, try reading up on our ( How To Guides ) to get the right information on starting and finishing detailing on your ride. I recommend you to start looking at these kits we carry here ( Car Care Kits ), a PC7424XP with the right pads and chemical's will do the job for you.
 
Wash her and tuck her away as is. Spend the winter reading and watching video's and asking questions. Get a flex not a PC since your paint is so hard. Do a ton or research and then, clean her up in the spring for the season.

Just my 2 cents.

Ive got another month, possibly two if weather cooperates. I figure that with the reading I already did (since July-ish) and the reading I will do until I put her away I can square away any last questions. I just posted this thread to see what reccomendations the community had.

Welcome to AutopiaForums M|R, try reading up on our ( How To Guides ) to get the right information on starting and finishing detailing on your ride. I recommend you to start looking at these kits we carry here ( Car Care Kits ), a PC7424XP with the right pads and chemical's will do the job for you.

Thank you, will definitely check them out :bigups
 
I just used Meguiars microfiber correction system on my 05 Vette, worked fantastic. Very easy and great results. Lots of super reading here on the forum, thank you to all who post.
 
I'd look at the G110v2 or the Griots Garage GG6 and the Meguiars MF system....maybe even some Surbuf pads and M105 depending on how deep the defects are.


I removed scratches like these from a '01 C5 last weekend (caused by a Scotch Brite pad I'm guessing) using M105 and Surbuf pads an the GG6! ;)

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Rasky
 
So guys, please help me figure out how to spend my money and get these imperfections fixed before she gets tucked away for winter.

The selection of products and tools can be so overwhelming it's sometimes easier to want someone to tell you what to buy. Many will recommend what they have, sometimes self-vindication of buying choices, sometimes true recommendations. My $.02 is look at what other people use and why they made a particular purchasing decision as well as why they prefer specific products. Then go with what makes sense to you. You can easily find yourself chasing the latest and greatest and investing a small fortune when the bottom line is you just want your car's appearance to reach it's potential.

I own the v1 PC and a GG 6". I've used and considered the G110v2 and PCxP and I had a Flex 3401 for a short time. I found the PC anemic, the G110v2 expensive compared to the competition, the Flex more work chasing it around than I wanted. I also like versatility in my tools.... I want to be able to use various sized pads and backing plates, that also ruled out the 3401 for me as I use 5.5, 4 and some 3" pads. The PCxP is a decent choice, I went with the GG6 due to it's reviews and especially due to the Lifetime warranty. Also because it can be found at many Web sites featuring tools FAR cheaper than the traditional detailing vendors online.

One bonus with the GG6 is also a drawback, IMO. It comes with a 6" backing plate. Good because you don't have to buy one, not so good if you want to use 5.5" pads, which is becoming an almost universal recommendation. I find 5.5" pads easier to handle and correct better.

As for products, everybody has their favorites, some recommend what they sell and you'll find some paid shills on numerous Forums pushing the party line. Personally, rather than trying every product for any given situation and accumulating every color pad in the rainbow I've been recommending Meg's Microfiber DA System, particularly the MF cutting pad and D300 compound. The cut and finish are totally dependent on how much pressure you put behind the pad and how long you work it. Minimal dusting, finishes well and user friendly to the experienced detailer as well as the uninitiated with a minimal investment.

Waxes and sealants are almost a flavor of the month. Some are hair-raisingly expensive, some are inexpensive and have stood the test of time with almost fanatical followings. Then there's coatings. lots of choices. Do you want long lasting, low maintenance or do you enjoy waxing monthly? Personally, I prefer great looks with low maintenance. Everything I own is getting Opti Coat. If you like putzing with the Corvette frequently you may prefer the enhanced look of a "beauty" wax or sealant. There's almost as many preferences as there are cars.

The choices are yours.

TL
 
Well, that time is right around the corner :( I am looking at going with the PC7424XP with the following

5 inch Uber Backing Plate
5.5 inch Uber Flat Pad Yellow (compound)

5.5 inch Uber Flat Pad Orange (med polish)

5.5 inch Uber Flat Pad Green (polish)

5.5 inch Uber Flat Pad Blue (final polish)

5.5 inch Uber Flat Pad Black (wax/sealant/glaze)


With the following products:


Adam's Swirl and Haze Remover 16 oz

Adam's Revive Polish 16 oz
Adam's Buttery Wax 16 oz




Do you guys think this combo will help get rid of the light/moderate swirls and scratches or do I need something more aggressive?


Also, what pad/product combo should I use? For example should I use the swirl and haze remover with the yellow or orange pad?
 
you can find a better kit for a cheaper price here on autopia or autogeek using your forum discounts. adams buys their chemicals from a mass supplier and relabels(from my research) unlike the brands that autopia/autogeek . but this is just my opinion. i would go with a porter cable 7424 kit from either autopia or autogeek, and this is not because im on these forums its because they have the best prices for polisher kits with a good assortment. go to both pages and click on porter cable polisher and kits. should find something really great to use. alot like m105/205 and works on gm's fairly hard clear.or go with meguiars microfiber system, the mf system is getting rave reviews. but if i had the cash to spend i would get a pc7424 kit one with about 3 each of orange,white,black lc pads and then get something like 105/205 or optimum compoundII and polish II or hyper polish and compound, plenty of great products to choose from and truth is you will probly test a few different product lines before deciding what you like the best. but since your new to machine polishing(im guessing) the meg's mf system is just a breeze to use for new guys from my research on it. good luck!.
 
I would start with Rasky's recommendation. I do not think you will get the results with the Adam's polish. It will probably not have the cut to work as efficiently as M105.

I like the Uber pads but it really depends on the paint and condition. If you have never polished, you will likely figure it out as you get into it.

For polishing you usually on need two pads: compounding and finishing. You can have a softer pad (Uber black) for applying the sealant or wax.
 
Ive got another month, possibly two if weather cooperates. I figure that with the reading I already did (since July-ish) and the reading I will do until I put her away I can square away any last questions. I just posted this thread to see what reccomendations the community had.



Thank you, will definitely check them out :bigups

OK then. I would get a Flex DA , not a PC because it will greatly speed up your work. I have read that corvettes have very hard clear coats. You should check these out before you buy but I think a polish like 105, then 205 and Menz 85 should do it as long at teh RID are not to bad. I have never woprked on a vette so please take a consensis before you buy. All I can say it that the Flex DA blows the pants off the PC or PCXP all day in terms of cutting down the time it takes to correct a panel.

I would take your car to a detail weekend locally and get some hands on instruction. Hard to learn without being shown (at least for me). Where are you located? If I were you, I would get some stuff, but a junk yard panel as close to your paint as possible and have at it. You will learn everything not to do over the winter and be ready to sine her up next season.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. :autopia:

After some more research and shopping, I am thoroughly convinced on going with the Meguiars Soft Buff Polishing Kit offered on autopia. I have heard and read many good reviews on the Meguiars line - just for kicks there were numerous claims saying it is a completely different product that the OTC stuff. Interesting because thats what I am coming from :D It also seems like it has everything I would need, although I am not sure I would need the 205, it is better to have it in case I do.

I just have a question...are the LC pads better than the Meguiars pads? Just a curiosity....

I have NXT 2.0 tech wax or something now that I bought in the beginning of summer. This may be a stupid question...but should I just use this to wax after I use the 105/205 or should I get something else? Im not sure about this...

Once I purchase this, my plan will be something like this
Good ol Wash
Clay
205 then 105 with the finishing pads (or other way around?)
Coat (or two?) of Wax with the LC red pad (I believe it is a bonus in the kit)
Admire with my own two eyes


Should I throw in a "polish enhancer" in there or is it not really worth it. The paint isnt neglected by any means, it just needs some defects taken out :)

And one last question to keep you guys busy, does the Meguiars kit come with the wrench and counter weight? I see it listed under some other kits but not this one. What is the significance of these parts anyways? I searched but couldnt really find anything because I am on my Droid.

:rockon
 
After some more research and shopping, I am thoroughly convinced on going with the Meguiars Soft Buff Polishing Kit offered on autopia.

Don't mean to rain on your parade but did you notice the "Out of Stock" on the G110v2 listing? They've been out of stock almost everywhere for some time. People raved about the polisher after they were released then stories about failures, power cord problems warranty replacements etc started popping up fairly prolifically. Some on Meg's Forum are theorizing Meg's won't be releasing these polishers until whoever manufactures them gets the bugs worked out beyond a shadow of a doubt. Megs is fairly mum on the whole affair AFAIK.

I am not sure I would need the 205, it is better to have it in case I do.

If you're going to compound defects on a hard clear with M105 you better be prepared to remove possible marring from compounding with a follow-up or finishing polish. 205 is usually regarded as a great finishing complement to 105. If you don't envision yourself needing to go to these lengths often you might consider buying the smallest sizes you can find. There are a few vendors that offer 12 oz sampler sizes of Meg's products.

I just have a question...are the LC pads better than the Meguiars pads?

"Better" is totally subjective based on users unique experiences. "Best" would be what works best/easiest for you for a particular application. That said, one thing that appears to be an overwhelming preferance of many is smaller pads. Many kits ship with 6.5" pads. Some are available with 5.5" pads. I personally find the combination of better cutting ability and ease of handling of 5.5" pads a real benefit. Since trying a few I've gotten rid of all my larger pads except for a few wools for serious compounding and replaced them with 5.5s. I like them a lot more and feel I get better results. For the record, Meg's Soft Buff 2.0 pads are 7", if I'n not mistaken. Pretty much the opposite of the consensus I've seen on numerous Forums. I do like Meg's 4" pads for small areas and tight spots.

Some prefer Meg's, some like LC, others use Buff n Shine or something else.. In the final analysis many would agree that results are more dependent on the detailer and his experience rather than the products he uses. A new detailer with a garage full of top end products can produce a seriously crappy result if they haven't done their homework. OTOH, Someone like Todd or Kevin Brown or numerous others could probably turn out concours results with an old bottle of Turtle Wax and a dirty wool pad. Sheesh, and my Mother must have told me 100 bazillion times not to exaggerate! :D

I have NXT 2.0 tech wax or something now that I bought in the beginning of summer. This may be a stupid question...but should I just use this to wax after I use the 105/205 or should I get something else?

If you like the NXT or whatever it is and it produces the results and longevity that you desire, by all means go with what you've already got. If you find it substandard or you're looking for something else ask away and everybody will recommend their personal favorite as the end-all, be-all.

Once I purchase this, my plan will be something like this
Good ol Wash
Clay
205 then 105 with the finishing pads (or other way around?)
Coat (or two?) of Wax with the LC red pad (I believe it is a bonus in the kit)
Admire with my own two eyes

105 is the aggressive compound generally used with a cutting or polishing pad to remove defects. As previously pointed out, some have been satisfied with 105's results and went right to wax or sealant. Others either saw something they didn't like or prefer and refined the finish with 205 and a polishing or finishing pad. It's all about what you're personally satisfied with.


Should I throw in a "polish enhancer" in there or is it not really worth it. The paint isnt neglected by any means, it just needs some defects taken out :)

The only thing that might be considered a "polish enhancer" that I use might be DG Aqua Wax spray on sealant. I blow water off before drying and DGAW provides a slicker surface to finish wiping off residue as well as amping up the gloss and adding longevity to whatever protection you're already using. Beads like crazy, slick, inexpensive and it smells good. What's not to like?

And one last question to keep you guys busy, does the Meguiars kit come with the wrench and counter weight? I see it listed under some other kits but not this one. What is the significance of these parts anyways?

The wrench is used if you want to remove the backing plate and swap on another size. I can't speak from personal experience on the G110v2 but if there's a DA being sold without the wrench it'd be news to me. Since a DA polisher oscillates the counterweight is there to offset the pads movement and provide balance, especially at high speeds. The counterweight comes preinstalled on the machine and you shouldn't need to be concerned with it under normal use. Todd is the polisher geek, he can undoubtedly write a large tome (and probably has) on the physics involved as well as lots of minute detail that might give you a headache unless that's your thing. Personally, I just want to make things shine.


I searched but couldnt really find anything because I am on my Droid.

Sheesh, how rude! Get off of her and send her home to R2D2 and pay more attention to detailing. :D

TL
 
Thank you very very much for all that info TLMitchell :rockon

And I dont see that it is out of stock on the website. In fact, I added it to my cart just fine :confused:
 
Meguiars Porter Cable XP Ultra Polish Kit with 5.5 Inch Pads FREE BONUS

This is what I was referring to....I decided to go 5.5" pads though, I think 7 would be a tad too big.

I havent ordered yet because I have been doing some more reading.

Just another quick question...to do the 105, 205, and wax (a guy at work tells me I should do more two/three coats?), all the pads necessary are included in that kit correct? I may be missing a fine fine pad such as red for final step process but thats why I asked here. The last thing I want is to get everything and then realize I dont have everything :D

And the first snowfall in CT is starting right now :( so I'm hoping to order this tonight.
 
Meguiars Porter Cable XP Ultra Polish Kit with 5.5 Inch Pads FREE BONUS

This is what I was referring to....I decided to go 5.5" pads though, I think 7 would be a tad too big.

Good move. 5.5s correct better and are easier to handle, especially for the uninitiated.

I havent ordered yet because I have been doing some more reading.

Another good move.

Just another quick question...to do the 105, 205, and wax (a guy at work tells me I should do more two/three coats?), all the pads necessary are included in that kit correct? I may be missing a fine fine pad such as red for final step process but thats why I asked here. The last thing I want is to get everything and then realize I dont have everything :D

Depends if you want to apply a wax/sealant by machine. IMO, you can apply an LSP with the black pad without penalty.

The real skinny is, you aren't going to have everything unless you buy everything. Which you'll probably be doing like the rest of us eventually. If you're overly concerned buy one of everything, be broke and get it over with now. ;)

As for layering LSPs, that's been a point of debate forever. Some are of the opinion that layering adds extra protection, others do it in order to insure full and even coverage with no missed spots. Still others are convinced that the look is improved. Personally, I've only layered with a carnauba in order to add depth to the high-gloss of 845 on black. If I had it to do over again I'd just go straight to wax and save a step for that application.

Everybody has their own personal favorite tools and products and is ready to recommend them over all others. When getting started if I knew then what I know now I'd buy everything a la carte and get exactly what I preferred (but didn't know I preferred then). I'd definitely get flat pads vs CCS, I'd definitely buy no pads thicker than 7/8", I'd go with the 5.5 MF DA kit and use D300 on hard Corvette clear, I'd probably use either MF finishing or LC black with 205 to finish. But that's just me... I don't pull out the 105 unless I really, really need the cut because it's dusty and dries out quick and is more difficult to wipe off clean vs the D300/MF that is a joy to use by comparison with comparable results, IMO. You spend more money mixing and matching vs buying a kit but IME getting my tools and products right the first time would have saved years of trial and error, not to mention a chunk of cash.

And the first snowfall in CT is starting right now :( so I'm hoping to order this tonight.

Better you than me, bud. It'll be flying here in the snow belt soon enough.

TL
 
Just got my Meguiars PC7424xp kit yesterday. Got 2 "red soft wax pads" as a bonus and some paint sealant and detail "spritz" :yay

The car has been tucked away for over a week now, freshly washed, under a cover. I plan on doing, or starting, this process tonight - just wanted to grab an extra opinion before I go at it...

Clay
105 (orange ccs pad) trying to decide whether or not I should use the 105, maybe I should just try the 205 and see if that does the trick. I can always go back if needed...
205 (grey ccs pad) whole car
Paint sealant (grey ccs OR red soft wax pad incl in kit?)
Wax (some say grey ccs but I am leaning toward red soft wax pads incl in the kit)

I think what I laid out will really get the torch red to pop. I will post up some before/after pictures when I am done :rockon

I also have a Craftsman halogen (I believe) light that a buddy gave me. I have lit it up aimed at my car to try and see the defects when I was at my "evaluating stage", if you will, but I couldnt see anything. Perhaps torch red isnt the best for halogen lights? I plan on setting it up facing our black raven Escalade when I get a chance. Just figured I would ask about this while it was on my mind...

Thank you all. Hope you avoid the snow and storms - this Nor'easter rewarded us without power for 6 days...just got it back.
 
Some great advice here as usual!

C5/C6 Corvettes have rock-hard clearcoat, so don't get discouraged if it takes a lot more effort than you think it will.

I've worked on a C5 hood for an hour and it looked like I hadn't done anything!

C5/C6 paint will require some pressure with an RO machine.

:bigups
 
I use my PC with Surbuf pads on my STS-V that has the same ceramic clear you do with GREAT results.

P.S.- Nice to see you around Bill!!
 
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