All right well I have one question and one issue with BF gloss enhancing polish

mikeyg402

mikeyg402

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I will start with the harder of the two questions. Does any company state side offer a matte finish wax other than swiss vax?
This is the product Im talking about:
Swissvax USA: Opaque Premium wax for satin matt paints, 50 ml

I cant find anything on the market currently like that stuff. I now have a few clients with matte finish cars and I need something to protect them.

Ok second one this is the BF product in question:
Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish

My bottle is a couple of years old and I have only used it on a couple of vehicles and every time it makes me :( :mad: lol. I tried following the directions and each time ive tried it ive been in climate controlled garages. I only do one or two panels at a time and once it hazes its nearly impossible to take off. Plus after rotary polishing the paint in what step should one use this stuff?
Typically my process is
wash
clay
1-4 step paint polishing via makita rotary
opti-seal
blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection
BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Carnauba Paste Wax --as the final top coat

I have more in my process than just that but just wanted to show the norm. If any are out of order after the machine polishing let me know! When I first got the opti-seal I thought that went on last.

I guess I have one more question:
with this sealant, is that tube only good for one vehicle or can i get multiple applications out of one tube?
Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0 Permanent Paint Coating

Thanks!
Michael
 
Michael,

I don't know of anyone else that has a "wax" for matte finishes but there are a few that make matte care products.






You should be able to get multiple vehicles out of syringe of Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0. I would say at least 2-3 for sure. It will depend on how thin and efficient your are are applying it. Along with that though I would charge a premium to apply it, making it well worth your time and expertise.
 
Todd Helme said:
What is the purpose of waxing a matte finish (just curious?).
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I've done alot of cars in a Matte finish via paint or a wrap and I've seen then get messed up bad by fall out(bird bombs especially) and hard water. So basicly to protect them same as you would any paint
 
Regarding Gloss Enhancing Polish- Apply to about 1/4 of a hood at a time, working in overlapping circles, working in until it starts to haze. Allow to haze slightly and it should remove quickly.

Gloss Enhancing Polish is really meant to clean neglected paints and impart a shine on them, and it really works great in this role. If I machine polish the paint then I tend to go straight to the LSP.

 
Jsmooth said:
I've done alot of cars in a Matte finish via paint or a wrap and I've seen then get messed up bad by fall out(bird bombs especially) and hard water. So basicly to protect them same as you would any paint
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Exactly. The legitimate response to Todd's question is really "What is the purpose of waxing any finish?"

Perhaps the real distinction here is the notion of "waxing" as opposed to using a polymer sealant or nano-coating of some sort, but I'm not aware of any of the latter that are expressly approved or recommended for application to matte finishes.
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
Exactly. The legitimate response to Todd's question is really "What is the purpose of waxing any finish?"

Perhaps the real distinction here is the notion of "waxing" as opposed to using a polymer sealant or nano-coating of some sort, but I'm not aware of any of the latter that are expressly approved or recommended for application to matte finishes.
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I believe I have seen it mentioned that OC can be applied to matte surfaces and not change the look. I will have to look for the quote as I believe it was on another forum.
 
TroyScherer said:
I believe I have seen it mentioned that OC can be applied to matte surfaces and not change the look. I will have to look for the quote as I believe it was on another forum.
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Hmm... guess I hadn't seen that either. Previously I thought I read where Dr. G said it might work, but he couldn't guarantee it wouldn't alter the appearance of matte paint or vinyl.
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
Exactly. The legitimate response to Todd's question is really "What is the purpose of waxing any finish?"

Perhaps the real distinction here is the notion of "waxing" as opposed to using a polymer sealant or nano-coating of some sort, but I'm not aware of any of the latter that are expressly approved or recommended for application to matte finishes.
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If that is the legitmate response Charles, then you should just ask it:bigups

Waxing has several benefits, such as improved resistance to bug etching/splatter, or bird bombs. However the improved resistance is somewhat limited, if something eats through paint it is going to eat through whatever polymer sealant or wax you can throw at it. Does it buy you more time? Sure, is it bullet proof? Of course not.

Another benefit of waxing/sealing is UV protection. Flat paint systems, because (microscopically) have a much higher surface area don't necessarily benefit from added UV protection (from speaking with a chemist from a paint company).

Another benefit of waxing/sealing is increasing the slip of the paint, which reduces the abrasion on the paint, which reduces the chances of getting marring/scratches. This isn't really a concern on a matte finish (or much of a concern).

 
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