Expensive wax is it worth the $$$$

Several things can have a bearing on how people perceive the true value of a product.
Ease of use, appearance, durability being a few that seem to be of some value to many people.

For me, ease of use and appearance are pretty high on the list. Durability of 4 to 6 weeks and I am happy.

Cost per use could affect the value factor as well.
Opti-Seal is not cheap at $22 to $25 for 8 oz., but if you take in to account the number of applications you can get from that 8 oz. bottle, it has to be about as economical as most any sealant.

To me, the $10 to $25 range seems to be about where I am most comfortable. I have products that were in that general area and they have done a good job for me.
While I have never used the $50, $90, $150+ products and I can't comment from experience, I can say that I have no interest in them.

Obviously, quite a few people do and that is part of what makes the world go around. :)
 
I have 2 tins of Pinnacle Souveran that has had one coat on the vette from one and the other one has never been opened.

When I found something that I liked better I stopped using the PS.

Wax don't work well on a show car in the hot months but since I need to use the PS rather than allow it to sit until it is ruined I may try it next spring while it is cool.
The PS looks good on Black but I can get just as good a look for much less $$$$$.

In recent years SOME sealant have come a long way and to me they look better than wax.

Especially if you have a really good paint job.
When I say good I'm not talking about what comes on a new car that is too thin to show depth.
On a good paint job some sealant will look deep and wet but with more gloss and durability than a wax.

The wax that sells for a $1000.00 or more will always be around because it has snob appeal.

People with a lot of money can afford it and they want something that makes them feel like they have something special like the story I told about the MB owner.

With good salesmanship and a LOT of HYPE these things will always sell.

Makes me think of a couple of rather famous saying's .

A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE

A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED
 
i think it is alot of money for container of wax. It also depending on the size of the container. For example, 16oz of griots best of show wax is around 20 dollars. Then again if u have a lot of vehicles it could be better to spend the $100 for more wax than the quality of the wax.
 
A forum member on DC sent me a sample of a high end wax(Vintage). So I can say that I have used one. I also have used a more moderately priced high end wax(Fusion) through another forum member. Plus, I have used the cheaper OTC products. Having experienced the high and the low end products, I have decided that it is my prep and not the product that provides the results for the look that I desire. I must point out that there can be a difference in look that is either... better than or not as good as...but that simply is an eye of the beholder type of thing in my mind. As far as durability is concerned any wax, in my estimation, is less durable than most sealants.

So for me it is not worth the price.
 
I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I get tired just thinking about applying wax.
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.
 
<<<<< :popcorn


Tuckermatic said:
I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I just get tired thinking about applying wax :passout:
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.
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^^^^^ :inspector:
 
WOW that was a long time ago but 15 months later I still have not used the wax it is sitting on the shelf.
Nearly $200.00 worth of wax just sitting going bad but I have no plans for ever using it. :crazy2:
 
Tuckermatic said:
I agree that wax is wax, what ever it costs.
They all form the same basic function in the same mannor.
The biggest difference is the skill of the person applying it.
At one time wax may have been the end all to protecting a paint job, I never use it now, nor will I ever use it again.

I too have found that there is another product for acrylic paint that surpasses any wax in preservation of that deep acrylic shine.

My problems with wax were numerous.

1. residue and waste, when you compare whats on the car to whats actually on the rag, buffing pad, your clothes.
even the cheapest costing wax is realatively expensive.
2. time to apply, put it on, let it dry, take it off.
3. hazing, dulling and yellowing when the wax gets old
4. a build up of wax that has to eventually be removed.
5. swirl marks in the wax and spider webs scratches in the paint.
6. could not use apply it in hot sun.
7. not able to apply it in the cold.
8. and in the end the paint beneath the wax suffers from all the friction and rubbing involved in the application of wax.

If you are not sure, remove the wax and look at your paint and you will see the defects and evidence of damage from all the rubbing and friction on the paint.

I get tired just thinking about applying wax.
Actually some products that are promoted the most, seem to present the most problems.
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.
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Uh oh.... Here it comes......

ACRYLIC PAINT CONDITIONER


:eek:
 
JohnHenry said:
Do tell, Tucker... what is your miracle product?
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I'm sure he would, but the moderators at many of the forums he shills pick on him.
Tuckermatic said:
Sad thing is. if you find something better and attempt to talk about it, moderators in many forums will delete your post and ban you as a member.
This type of censorship is common in biased forums.

I have found that when any discussion of a product upsets the moderators it's worth looking into.
Why?
Usually it's a better product than their site is promoting.
If not they would ignore it.
The fact is, there is a much better product to protect the color and shine of acrylic paint than common wax but you won't find it in any forum heavily sponsored by wax sellers.
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Even the complaining about his treatment is suspect.
His post hasn't been deleted and he obviously hasn't been banned.
So.... How do you decide what is fact and what is fiction in what he has to say.
Actually, he has been here before with very nearly the same pitch and since we are responding to him, he will probably just suck it up and go ahead and post/shill the product in spite of the way he will be treated.

While I don't remember for sure, it seems like someone found a connection between Tuckermatic and the product he raves about. Does anyone recall if that was the case?
 
C'mon Jared,
You stole Tuckermatic's lines.
Now that the secret is out, what more can he say?




I'll bet he will come up with something. :D
 
black bart said:
:bigups :bigups :bigups :bow :bow :bow :wow:
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the question now is ... why haven't you tried it so you can form an opinion :notme:

on the other hand when you do try it, please try it on one of your DD's as it probably wouldn't be a fair assessment on your show Vette ;)
 
Poorboy said:
the question now is ... why haven't you tried it so you can form an opinion :notme:

on the other hand when you do try it, please try it on one of your DD's as it probably wouldn't be a fair assessment on your show Vette ;)
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Steve if you look at my first post I did try it.
On a DD it would be ok because I always clean them in the garage.

Problem is when I use it on the vette and drive say 100 miles to a show it needs cleaned, trying to do that in hot sun smears and smudges the melting wax and you rub the dirt into it making an abrasive brown streaked mess.:eek:

I could use it on my DD but since sealant lasts longer cost less and is faster easier to apply and remove I don't use the wax.

I need to make room in my garage next spring I probably will get rid of dozens of cans of wax that have been sitting on the shelves for several years.
 
I've waxed my black car with Fuzion, Pinnacle, MaxWax and Collinite 476.

They all look great on black. The most durable and least expensive was the Collinite 476.

The MaxWax made the metallic pop. The Fuzion gave it a highly reflective shine. The Pinnacle was equal to the Collinite in appearance.

All were applied over WGDGPS 3.0

When I use up the expensive wax, I'll stick to MaxWax during nice weather and Collinite for winter prep.
 
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