Toyota Halts Sales of Eight U.S. Models After Recall

FWIW, I think a lot of the "mythical Toyota Quality" was helped along by piss poor quality from domestics. Sure, lots of early Toyota trucks got lots of miles on them (because they were inline 4 bangers most likely) but I don't really see where people get that they were top-of-the-line quality. Interiors were always cheap (lots still are) and lots of the earlier trucks had rusting problems. I think Toyota (and Honda) had a lot of help in garnering their quality image by a lack thereof from the domestics. In the past few years, I think that the "quality gap" has really narrowed down, however I can't recall many makes from any manufacturers that didn't have some sort of problem or gripe from current owners. After all, they are designed, built and assembled by people and we are prone to mistakes.

One of the main reasons I am a Toyota buyer (other than great dealership service and relationships compared to the take it or leave it I got from the domestic dealerships) is the higher retained resale value. I hope this latest issue doesn't hurt the resale value area too much, although I have my doubts.
 
Just heard on the news that GM is offering special incentives for current Toyota drivers for trading in and buying a GM. Might be time to go looking. :D Haha.

I'd expect other makers to follow suit.
 
black bart said:
All companies have been guilty but a lot of people think Toyota was above it but look at the engine sludge problem from years ago tens of thousands had to replace the engine and Toyota would not stand behind them.

It was not until 10 years later when Toyota lost a class action law suit that they offered to pay those owners for their loss $$$$$ replacing the engine.

I don't want to rag on Toyota but I have read Sooooo much about how they could do no wrong but it turns out they are not perfect after all.
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I have to disagree about this.. i worked for Lexus in my younger years when the "sludge" problem happened.. and what started it all was people coming in that owned a car for two years and NEVER changed the oil... i stared in shock at a lady that said "why should i have to have the oil changed? that doesnt make sense to me...that shouldn't effect the performance of the car"

Toyota sent letters to all of thier owners stating that they would cover engine rebuilds on cars even if it was the fault of the customer for not taking care of the car....although i do own a 2008 camery i feel safe enough driving it until they come up with a fix
 
Gus-Gus said:
I have to disagree about this.. i worked for Lexus in my younger years when the "sludge" problem happened.. and what started it all was people coming in that owned a car for two years and NEVER changed the oil... i stared in shock at a lady that said "why should i have to have the oil changed? that doesnt make sense to me...that shouldn't effect the performance of the car"

Toyota sent letters to all of thier owners stating that they would cover engine rebuilds on cars even if it was the fault of the customer for not taking care of the car....although i do own a 2008 camery i feel safe enough driving it until they come up with a fix
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Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with this. AFAIK it was a design problem, not a maintenance (or lack thereof) issue.

And this is some kind of ancient history, it was just 8 or so years ago.
 
JaredPointer said:
Just heard on the news that GM is offering special incentives for current Toyota drivers for trading in and buying a GM. Might be time to go looking. :D Haha.

I'd expect other makers to follow suit.
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They're gonna have to sit on trade ins till cure is found.

Thats a lot of $$$$ sitting idle.
 
Gus-Gus said:
I have to disagree about this.. i worked for Lexus in my younger years when the "sludge" problem happened.. and what started it all was people coming in that owned a car for two years and NEVER changed the oil... i stared in shock at a lady that said "why should i have to have the oil changed? that doesnt make sense to me...that shouldn't effect the performance of the car"

Toyota sent letters to all of thier owners stating that they would cover engine rebuilds on cars even if it was the fault of the customer for not taking care of the car....although i do own a 2008 camery i feel safe enough driving it until they come up with a fix
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If the problem was lack of maintenance why did Toyota redesign the head after this problem showed up??????

Why did the problem go away after the redesign????

If Toyota paid like you say why the law suit.

If they were right and it was due to poor maintenance why did they louse the law suit.

Facts do not support your claim.

As to time it makes no difference if it was 10 years ago or today when a manufacture tries to avoid warranty problems by denying it that sucks.
 
black bart said:
As to time it makes no difference if it was 10 years ago or today when a manufacture tries to avoid warranty problems by denying it that sucks.
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Both GM/Chevrolet and Ford have denied claims to my family members. On the Chevy it was for warped brake rotors at less than 20K. On the Fords, it was a variety of engine and transmission problems well within the 3 year 36K miles. That's why no one in my family except my brother will buy GM or Ford ever again.

Toyota denied a warranty claim on my white Tacoma for a paint issue that I believe had to be a faulty paint job. They claimed it was from environmental conditions and lack of paint care. :wall

It's not just Toyota that denies warranty claims or tries to avoid recall issues or sweep the under the rug (i.e. the Firestone debacle or Ford Exploders catching on fire while sitting parked in garages).
 
JaredPointer said:
Both GM/Chevrolet and Ford have denied claims to my family members. On the Chevy it was for warped brake rotors at less than 20K. On the Fords, it was a variety of engine and transmission problems well within the 3 year 36K miles. That's why no one in my family except my brother will buy GM or Ford ever again.

Toyota denied a warranty claim on my white Tacoma for a paint issue that I believe had to be a faulty paint job. They claimed it was from environmental conditions and lack of paint care. :wall

It's not just Toyota that denies warranty claims or tries to avoid recall issues or sweep the under the rug (i.e. the Firestone debacle or Ford Exploders catching on fire while sitting parked in garages).
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People have long memories. I still have not really forgiven GM about my Chevy Citation although I may consider one if they had a model I liked.

I liked Chryslers for a long time. They had a variety of minor issues but the drivetrains always seemed solid so I was never really upset. We still have a Sebring.

If you make anything in volume, you are going to have complaints that can collectively add up. It can take one design or manufacturing defect to just affect a small number of cars (a few hundred in a 1,000,000) to really stand out.

I do agree with the comment that Toyota probaly gets more credit for quality than it deserves and I do think Ford/GM quality seems to have significantly improved.
 
JaredPointer said:
Both GM/Chevrolet and Ford have denied claims to my family members. On the Chevy it was for warped brake rotors at less than 20K. On the Fords, it was a variety of engine and transmission problems well within the 3 year 36K miles. That's why no one in my family except my brother will buy GM or Ford ever again.

Toyota denied a warranty claim on my white Tacoma for a paint issue that I believe had to be a faulty paint job. They claimed it was from environmental conditions and lack of paint care. :wall

It's not just Toyota that denies warranty claims or tries to avoid recall issues or sweep the under the rug (i.e. the Firestone debacle or Ford Exploders catching on fire while sitting parked in garages).
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JP your post echos what I have said in above posts, they all have been guilty.

AS to the Firestone debacle I had some first hand experience with that one.
In 1997 I bought a 1992 Explorer still driving it today but at that time it was out of warranty and I was the second owner so Ford was under no obligation to me in any way.

Ford sent me a letter telling me to go to my Ford dealer to get the tires replaced.
The explore has about 55,000 miles on it and the Firestone tires were badly worn but I took it to my local dealer and they installed 5 new Firestone tires.

It was believed that Firestone had run a bunch of bad tires and since I had a current run these would be ok and as it turned out they were.

Their was nothing wrong with the tires that came on it must have been before the problem tires were made but some people were having problems after all the tires were replaced.

I got a letter from Ford telling me to go to my dealer for new tires and that I must do it within a year or they would consider it case closed.

Since the tires that I had was fine I ran them for a year went to my dealer 2 days before the dead line was no reason to put those miles on the new tires that they were going to give me when I already had new tires.:D

Dealer ask what tire I wanted could have anything but Firestone. I said Michelin LTX he said ok and they put on 5 new Michelin's they are still on it.

Ford bought me 10 new tires when they owed me nothing my vehicles was bought used and Long out of warranty.
 
JaredPointer said:
Both GM/Chevrolet and Ford have denied claims to my family members. On the Chevy it was for warped brake rotors at less than 20K. On the Fords, it was a variety of engine and transmission problems well within the 3 year 36K miles. That's why no one in my family except my brother will buy GM or Ford ever again.

Toyota denied a warranty claim on my white Tacoma for a paint issue that I believe had to be a faulty paint job. They claimed it was from environmental conditions and lack of paint care. :wall

It's not just Toyota that denies warranty claims or tries to avoid recall issues or sweep the under the rug (i.e. the Firestone debacle or Ford Exploders catching on fire while sitting parked in garages).
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Give me their number, I'll straighten them out on that! Obviosly they had no clue as to who they were addressing! :D
 
heard on the news this morning that vehicles with over 35k are the most likely to have problems with the gas pedal linkage as wear and tear accumulates ..... well that takes me out of the mix :D ... I only have 7k after a year plus so by the time my truck hits 35k it will belong to someone else :lol2:
 
Poorboy said:
heard on the news this morning that vehicles with over 35k are the most likely to have problems with the gas pedal linkage as wear and tear accumulates
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Doing some research, I have found what appears to be statistics on the failure rate of the accelerator pedal:

50 out of 22,000,000. That's .000227%
 
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