Why not spray waxes?

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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
When the subject of spray wax comes up, people tend to immediately dis them.
Why?
Why does the method of delivering the product to the surface have any negative effect?
Spray it on, pour it on an applicator and wipe it on.
What difference does it make?
One of the most durable sealants around, (Klasse SG), is often used in a WOWO system and for some reason,that's acceptable. Granted many/most apply it with an applicator and then wipe it off right away, but some apply it as spray, spread it with a MF towel and then wipe it off. Exactly the same way I think a "Spray Was" is used.
If Klasse SG can be used that way, why can't other sealants be used that way?
Don't tell me the product has to be thick to work. Optimum Opti-Seal, Zaino Clear Seal, and Ultima Paint Guard pretty much dispel that myth.

FWIW, I'm not real sold on the so called bonding of sealants with the paint anyway, but that probably deserves a different thread. :notme:
 
It depends on what kind of 'spray wax' you are talking about. A QD with a shot of wax in it is a lot different than something like Souveran Spray Wax. Personally I love Souveran Spray Wax for motorcycle detailing. It is a really quick way to give it an awesome shine. Wolfgang had a Spray Sealant for awhile that did the same thing. I'm not sure that I would use it on an entire car simply because that would be a spendy wax job, but on a small painted surface I love it.

Now for larger vehicles I am still using 4 Star Spray Wax. I bought five gallons of it some time ago and I'm still working my way through that supply. I love using that as a quick shine after I wash the car and don't really need to put another layer of wax on, but would like to give it a little boost. I don't really put a whole lot of faith in the protection or durability of any spray wax, but if I can get a little appearance gain to float me for a week before I have time to wax it, then I'm all for it.
 
I'm with you CharlesW. I am going to try some several spray waxes because they are awesome- just not for every single solitary application.

I use several QDetailers and it always looks like new money- I'll bet the spray wxes are even better- different but better. NOT as good as a complete clay/sealant/polish/wax thing. I only know that the full meal deal detail is not an everyday- or even everyweek thing- ( 4 me) once every three months- 1X a month if I'm board- even for my everyday driver-

Sprax waxes- and QDs (which are different) are what makes the everyday NON professional detailers (like me's)world go round- There's tons of nice car chemicals out there.

OTCounter stuff is killer-the mailorder/industrial detail supplies are usually a bit better and less expensive since you can buy it in bulk. I think the thing with the OTC stuff is you just gotta find stuff that is good because some of it is not very good. If you read enough- you'll figure out which ones the pros will use-but getting back to the thread- I think for a guy like me anyway- spraywax is the way to go- with a major detail 3 times a year-spring summer and b4 winter like now. Good topic dude.
 
Bunky said:
Isn't is more like a glaze?
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From the Autogeek ad copy for Klasse HSG:
"High Gloss Sealant Glaze creates an elastic, non-chip, shrink-proof, heat and scratch resistant - protective seal against ultraviolet rays, salt water, acid rain and industrial pollutants for up to 12 months. Use this glaze on all paints with or without clear coats, glass, fiberglass, Plexiglass, plastics, metal surfaces, enamel, tiles, Formica and all non-porous surfaces. It is anti-static, non-abrasive and contains no ingredients harmful to paint, metal or plastic."
Yeah, they call it a glaze just like Zaino calls their sealant a polish.
The Klasse is definitely a LSP and I don't consider true glazes to be LSPs.
 
i think some of the OTC spray waxes (like Mothers) are better than some of the gloss enhancing detailers and cost less.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
It depends on what kind of 'spray wax' you are talking about. A QD with a shot of wax in it is a lot different than something like Souveran Spray Wax.
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A "Spray Wax/Sealant" not some QD with some wax added to it. A true wax or sealant in a liquid form that would be sprayed on the surface to apply.

Jngrbrdman said:
I don't really put a whole lot of faith in the protection or durability of any spray wax
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But why don't you?
Do you really think Klasse won't have as good durability if it is sprayed on, spread with a MF and then wiped off immediately with a MF?
Why would the results be any different than pouring some on an applicator, spreading it around and then wipe it off immediately with a MF?
 
While it is not advertised as such I consider DG-AW to be a spray on sealant and it lasts for longer than what most of us will go without detailing again.
So can this be put in the same category as the spray wax.
 
Bunky said:
i think some of the OTC spray waxes (like Mothers) are better than some of the gloss enhancing detailers and cost less.
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Probably, but I'm not talking about using the spray version like a QD. I mean a true spray sealant/wax.
I still don't see any reason a good sealant couldn't be sprayed on and wiped off with excellent protection and durability as well as gloss enhancement.

I keep referring to the Klasse because I know some people use it that way.

It's the same product whether you apply it with a MF applicator, a foam applicator, an old rag, a PC or spray it on.
 
black bart said:
While it is not advertised as such I consider DG-AW to be a spray on sealant and it lasts for longer than what most of us will go without detailing again.
So can this be put in the same category as the spray wax.
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Yes, I think so, but I guess I'm not getting my point across.
As soon as you mentioned a spray on product people looked down on it. Even your comment is slightly defensive about the DG-AW.

Is it because good spray waxes have not been offered or promoted?
Or is it because there is some inherent reason a spray sealant/wax has to be considered an inferior product?
 
CharlesW said:
A "Spray Wax/Sealant" not some QD with some wax added to it. A true wax or sealant in a liquid form that would be sprayed on the surface to apply.

But why don't you?
Do you really think Klasse won't have as good durability if it is sprayed on, spread with a MF and then wiped off immediately with a MF?
Why would the results be any different than pouring some on an applicator, spreading it around and then wipe it off immediately with a MF?
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Well, carnauba isn't all that durable in a paste or liquid form anyway, so to dilute it to the point it can be sprayed on has got to diminish durability even more. I don't use waxes for durability. I use them for looks and fully expect to need to reapply at least every other month to keep the protection going. I don't look at waxes and sealants as being in the same category when it comes to protection and would have a whole lot more faith in a spray sealant before I trust a spray wax.

Klasse SG is a very unique product in that it is possibly the only product I have ever used personally that is already thin enough to be put in a spray bottle. I'm not convinced application that way would be easier or better than just wiping it on, but it certainly is a technique that could be explored for sure. I haven't had any reason to deviate from the wipe on, let dry, wipe off method of using that particular product, so I'll leave the experimenting on application of it to a more curious detailer. ;)
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Klasse SG is a very unique product in that it is possibly the only product I have ever used personally that is already thin enough to be put in a spray bottle. I'm not convinced application that way would be easier or better than just wiping it on, but it certainly is a technique that could be explored for sure. I haven't had any reason to deviate from the wipe on, let dry, wipe off method of using that particular product, so I'll leave the experimenting on application of it to a more curious detailer. ;)
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Interesting.
For some reason I thought I remembered you being one of the proponents of the Wipe On Wipe Off method of Using the Klasse SG.
 
CharlesW said:
Yes, I think so, but I guess I'm not getting my point across.
As soon as you mentioned a spray on product people looked down on it. Even your comment is slightly defensive about the DG-AW.

Is it because good spray waxes have not been offered or promoted?
Or is it because there is some inherent reason a spray sealant/wax has to be considered an inferior product?
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Not sure I can answer that but it would be my guess that some who talk it down have not tried a product like AW.

I'm not one who follows the heard and I use a lot of AW I like to mix it with FC&S that way it cleans, adds protection and awesome gloss all with one application.
Since my back surgery I find myself looking for faster easier way to keep my vehicles looking good.
 
CharlesW said:
Interesting.
For some reason I thought I remembered you being one of the proponents of the Wipe On Wipe Off method of Using the Klasse SG.
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no no no no no no.... I was the loudest protester of that cut corner method. I finally stopped yelling at the tide and figured I'd let people get whatever results cutting corners on science gives them. I apply it, let it dry for at least 45 minutes, and then buff it off with the two towel technique (damp towel followed by dry towel). That has always produced stellar results and I haven't had any reason to change that up. Limiting the time the sealant has to bond with the paint just doesn't seem like an effective way to gain durability to me.
 
i am wondering if anyone has fully paint corrected a vehicle and ONLY used a spray on wax .... im wondering if the spray on wax holds up better as a prior application opposed to waxing with another product and then using some misc spray wax just as a booster which is basically what it is for ...


one of these times i think im gonna try polishing a car and just using a spray on product and test the results i get ...
 
RyansAutoDetail said:
i am wondering if anyone has fully paint corrected a vehicle and ONLY used a spray on wax .... im wondering if the spray on wax holds up better as a prior application opposed to waxing with another product and then using some misc spray wax just as a booster which is basically what it is for ...


one of these times i think im gonna try polishing a car and just using a spray on product and test the results i get ...
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I have a friend that has a custom show car and it has been about 15 years since it was built and it has NEVER been waxed.

Just spray on products and he has a house full of BEST OF SHOW awards.
This car like mine only comes out of the garage for a show so durability is not an issue.

I was told by Bill at Duragloss that on my show car not to bother with anything other than AW.
I'm sure that would work but I put sealant on anyway.
 
I sometimes use PB QW+ and I think the durability is superb and so is the shine. I have never applied it as a winterize type application though because most posters say to expect a few weeks of protection from a spray wax in general, I just go with what I read on these forums.

Now since my Buick has a big dent in the door and a missing hubcap I may prep the surface and use QW+ and see how long it seems to last into the winter. Then in the spring maybe I will be able to answer your question more accurately. I just don't seem to care about the car's appearance as much now that it has a dent in it.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
no no no no no no.... I was the loudest protester of that cut corner method. I finally stopped yelling at the tide and figured I'd let people get whatever results cutting corners on science gives them. I apply it, let it dry for at least 45 minutes, and then buff it off with the two towel technique (damp towel followed by dry towel). That has always produced stellar results and I haven't had any reason to change that up. Limiting the time the sealant has to bond with the paint just doesn't seem like an effective way to gain durability to me.
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:sorry:
My apologies.
I was wrong. (Again)
Oh well, at least I got the first mistake of the day out of the way early and can move on to more.
 
CharlesW said:
Probably, but I'm not talking about using the spray version like a QD. I mean a true spray sealant/wax.
I still don't see any reason a good sealant couldn't be sprayed on and wiped off with excellent protection and durability as well as gloss enhancement.

I keep referring to the Klasse because I know some people use it that way.

It's the same product whether you apply it with a MF applicator, a foam applicator, an old rag, a PC or spray it on.
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My point was that if people use detailers after a wash, they might as well use a spray wax. The spray wax is as slick or slicker, beads water, durable (at least a few weeks minimum), nearly as easy to use, and costs about the same or less as a premium quick detailer.

For example, if I had a choice to use Optimum detailer or Mothers FX on a clean vehicle, Mothers FX wins on all aspects.
 
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