Jet Black!!

Beemerboy

Beemerboy

Just One More Coat
I did a jet black e55 MB today...sorry no pics...anywho over the years that I have detailed many jet black cars and a lot of non-metallic cars...IMO are the most challenging..I always find that at the end of the detail the car still has a oily appearance...in the bright sun light.

I have found one thing that seems to work to cure this and thought to pass it along.

For the LSP, the final, final if you will:D:D:D:D. I keep a spray bottle of cold water in the refer.....then spray that on liberally to clean the panels...I know QD would be a solution here...but I have found that there is still oils in QD and that adds to the oily texture and smeary look....the cold water hardens the oils (guessing) and eliminates this completely...I have owned two jet black cars and this is the only process after spending countless hours on the paint to make it come out looking flawless...todays car was a example of that....the customer was blown away...but the finish...so was I!!!:eek:
 
audiboy said:
Thanks for the tip. I'll have to try that out the next time I wax the car.
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AB...I know that you have a black ride...I have done all kinds of experiments mainly QD stuff car looks great in the garage...into the sun..and its clean, swirl free, shinny, but oil in appearance..one or two day later or a wash or two and its gone for the most part...the cold water...takes that away...Steve and I talked about this some time back...he said to use chilled QD...that still didn't work on the jet black color shows everything...the cold water was the trick!
 
Good to hear. I haven't tried to experiment or anything with getting rid of the oils. It has just been something that I have learned to live with. It will be awesome if I get the same results that you do.
 
audiboy said:
Good to hear. I haven't tried to experiment or anything with getting rid of the oils. It has just been something that I have learned to live with. It will be awesome if I get the same results that you do.
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I'm sure like you...I put this much time into getting the car that clean then to see the oily look....no way....have to figure something out that works!
 
I lightly mist the cars with cold water afterwords, usually from the hose. I found it gets rid of the hazyness too.
 
That is along the lines of what I do but I throw the Qd in with it. I mix my solution 3:1 with distilled water and that seems to work for me. But I agree with you Beemerboy I have tried your way as well and it works great.
 
hey beemer, i've done something similar, i spray the car with cold water straight out of the garden hose, that's of course it's cold enough. granted it's not as cold as fridge water but usually does the trick, it also gets any wax residue or dust out of the nooks and cranny's.
 
What's the water temp(how long in the fridge) when you put it on the car?:passout:
 
rabbi said:
:cool:thanx.:passout:
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The trick as I see it, is the colder the water the better it will harden the oils on the surface faster....I could be completely off my rocker on this one, but the amount of times that I have cleaned this car and others like it...this is the only process that takes that appearance away
 
Beemerboy said:
The trick as I see it, is the colder the water the better it will harden the oils on the surface faster....I could be completely off my rocker on this one, but the amount of times that I have cleaned this car and others like it...this is the only process that takes that appearance away
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Good tip Beemerboy. Thanks:bigups

I'm in the process of patenting this idea. I think I will call it "H2Oh what a shine". I just have to come up with a self cooling battery operated bottle for the mobile guys.:D

Seriously, I have used water for this but never took it to the level of making it cold. I bet it does help.
 
Troy@DetailCity said:
Good tip Beemerboy. Thanks:bigups

I'm in the process of patenting this idea. I think I will call it "H2Oh what a shine". I just have to come up with a self cooling battery operated bottle for the mobile guys.:D

Seriously, I have used water for this but never took it to the level of making it cold. I bet it does help.
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You are on to something here Troy...I hope that Steve is not reading this...It helps a lot and the reason that I started doing it this way was, Steven said that Patrick Holland ( I think that was the person) used cold QD...tried that and it didn't cut out the oily effect...a cold water wash was the solution...however after spending painstaking hours on the car...who wants to wet the whole thing down...talk about work...that's what this idea was born from...let me know how it works for you
 
Interesting....... i have a few black vehicles to, there could be several reasons why you have residue or a thin film left over, not having a perfectly clean micro fiber, temperature outside, humidity, even direct sun light or a hot surface, maybe a product issue, but you are right about a non wax/oil lsp, cold water works, even if you mix a few table spoons or so (depending on size of water container) with alcohol, this drys quicker than water i will not harm the wax (a table spoon or so) not half alcohol :) , i NEVER USE ANY TYPE OF WAX OR QD to do the final wipe down, anything that is all water or mostly water will do the trick..... if its dry out with slight breeze and very low humidity the wax may even cure its self and the film maybe gone in a few hours ......... yeah black cars always put up a good fight when it comes to getting clean
 
BLACKWRX said:
Interesting....... i have a few black vehicles to, there could be several reasons why you have residue or a thin film left over, not having a perfectly clean micro fiber, temperature outside, humidity, even direct sun light or a hot surface, maybe a product issue, but you are right about a non wax/oil lsp, cold water works, even if you mix a few table spoons or so (depending on size of water container) with alcohol, this drys quicker than water i will not harm the wax (a table spoon or so) not half alcohol :) , i NEVER USE ANY TYPE OF WAX OR QD to do the final wipe down, anything that is all water or mostly water will do the trick..... if its dry out with slight breeze and very low humidity the wax may even cure its self and the film maybe gone in a few hours ......... yeah black cars always put up a good fight when it comes to getting clean
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I have had two JB BMW cars in the last 7 years....the oily look on these cars has always been a factor...that said all my MF are squeaky clean, here in CA the weather is not the issue...I have determined that its the oils in the LSP or the combo of the products that I use...the cold water was really the trick at least at this point...I will try the alcohol next thanks for the suggestion...The JB MB that I did over the weekend I blew the customer away with the finish...thanks DC for the help!
 
I have determined that its the oils in the LSP or the combo of the products that I use
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definitely, for that reason i never layer up products, i always try to use the least amount of products possible to achieve the best results.......
1.thorough wash
2. a polish or compound
3. and wax
i think what happens is the wax has to have some time to cure, then you can add a glaze or sealant.lsp, or more wax
the first time this happened, i got really frustrated i couldnt get ride of the "oil" effect ..... then i used a light light ratio of alcohol water and no more oil
 
BLACKWRX said:
i think what happens is the wax has to have some time to cure, then you can add a glaze or sealant.lsp, or more wax
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:huh: Glaze is usually used before wax and a sealant won't bond to wax. You could put the wax over the sealant once it's cured.
 
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