What am I doing wrong?

wristymanchego said:
Product is aplenty in Australia, mate, just not retail.

Here’s a few to get you going...


Apexcustoms
* carpro
* Scholl
* Menzerna
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I only found my Apex through their Gumtree ads. The others that I could find were all aimed at pros. ie a lot more than $100-200 unlike Amazon in the US where they seem to have a lot of consumer grade stuff. Bunnings and co only had the crappy buffers that use elastic bonnets instead of Velcro backed pads. Supercheapauto also had a DA but didn’t keep it in stock in their stores, which was no good because I wanted to see it in person.

That what I was able to find anyway.


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phatrs said:
I only found my Apex through their Gumtree ads. The others that I could find were all aimed at pros. ie a lot more than $100-200 unlike Amazon in the US where they seem to have a lot of consumer grade stuff. Bunnings and co only had the crappy buffers that use elastic bonnets instead of Velcro backed pads. Supercheapauto also had a DA but didn’t keep it in stock in their stores, which was no good because I wanted to see it in person.

That what I was able to find anyway.


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Haven’t personally used their 15mm but the Adams Swirl killer seams to get good reviews here and is a relabeled Shinemate from what I understand. Basically not on par with the Flex’s,Griot’s or even the Roopez’z but a great consumer use product. I trusted enough based on Autopians and Geeks that I ordered their 3” 12mm. Maybe look into the shinemates.


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phatrs said:
I only found my Apex through their Gumtree ads. The others that I could find were all aimed at pros. ie a lot more than $100-200 unlike Amazon in the US where they seem to have a lot of consumer grade stuff. Bunnings and co only had the crappy buffers that use elastic bonnets instead of Velcro backed pads. Supercheapauto also had a DA but didn’t keep it in stock in their stores, which was no good because I wanted to see it in person.

That what I was able to find anyway.


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Your machine is fine.

Looks like you might need to invest in some decent pads.

Hit up detailingshed and get yourself a bunch of lake country SDO pads. It will set you back a bit but if you care for them they’ll last a couple years.
 
wristymanchego said:
Your machine is fine.

Looks like you might need to invest in some decent pads.

Hit up detailingshed and get yourself a bunch of lake country SDO pads. It will set you back a bit but if you care for them they’ll last a couple years.
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Thanks! I just had a look and the Lake Country SDO pads seem very reasonably priced. Now I’m itching to have a go at improving my paint!


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Note that with some products, "Less is more" applies, e.g., I get the best results out of the HD products I`ve used with *very* little product on the pad.

How much product to use when priming can vary from "hardly any" to "Kevin Brown Method-generous". Just depends on what you`re using...

Also, different people can use different techniques, *with the exact same stuff*, and get the same results..just so many variables!

Be a bit careful about using short work-times with diminishing abrasive products lest you wipe `em off before they`ve broken down (weird situations notwithstanding).

I *still* don`t understand how anybody can get sling with a RO/DA. I hope that doesn`t sound all critical of anybody who`s experienced it, I`m just scratching my head over how it could happen (assuming the pad`s in proper contact with the panel). I mean..gee, I`ve tilted the polisher so much (to do a tight spot or concentrate its aggressiveness, and no I`m not recommending that!) that only a small portion was touching the paint, and I still never got sling.
 
Accumulator said:
Also, different people can use different techniques, *with the exact same stuff*, and get the same results..just so many variables!
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Proof that, despite what some (or most) will have you believe, technique has little to no effect on the results beyond consistency.

We’re a slave to the paint, the compound, the pad and the conditions.
 
wristymanchego said:
Proof that, despite what some (or most) will have you believe, technique has little to no effect on the results beyond consistency.

We’re a slave to the paint, the compound, the pad and the conditions.
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Hope your right. Doin my 1st polish soon and hope it works out.


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Coatings=crack said:
Hope your right. Doin my 1st polish soon and hope it works out.


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You’ll be fine mate. The rest comes down to experience and modifying the process based on the above mentioned variables.

No art, no wizardry necessary. Just knowledge, experience, experimentation, attention to detail and following process.
 
wristymanchego said:
Proof that, despite what some (or most) will have you believe, technique has little to no effect on the results beyond consistency...
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I dunno...how do you figure? I was actually thinking the opposite!

We’re a slave to the paint, the compound, the pad and the conditions.
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IMO, since the specific job will dictate the product/pad/polisher, only the paint and the desired outcome are controlling. Then it`s up to the Detailer to be able to determine and apply the appropriate technique for whatever`s called for, using the right stuff.

Don`t mean to be contentious, just finding our apparently different takes on this to be an interesting discussion :D
 
Accumulator said:
I dunno...how do you figure? I was actually thinking the opposite!



IMO, since the specific job will dictate the product/pad/polisher, only the paint and the desired outcome are controlling. Then it`s up to the Detailer to be able to determine and apply the appropriate technique for whatever`s called for, using the right stuff.

Don`t mean to be contentious, just finding our apparently different takes on this to be an interesting discussion :D
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Don’t sweat it, challenging perspectives is healthy.

Putting it another way, the paint, compound, pads and conditions have far more influence over the result than we do as the detailer. We only have the ability to maximise the potential of the result based on the circumstances and chosen tools.

To address your point specifically; each compound and pad has its sweet spot and overall limitations that are pre determined by design. No detailer is getting more out of a product than is intended, they’re simply making a better decision when selecting tools and product with respect to the conditions and paintwork.

There are no artists in detailing, only craftsmen (and women).
 
wristymanchego- I sure agree about "no artists, only craftsmen"!

As for the product/Detailer..we might just be on opposite sides of the fence, at least with regard to some minor points. E.g., you can tweak some products and go off-label with regard to how they`re used with sometimes great results (e.g., adding water/oil to M105 to increase the work time/aggression).

But yeah, I also agree that the potential end-result is fixed, there`s only so much anybody can do in a positive direction (though, heh heh, there are many ways to have it go the other way ;) ).
 
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