Talk me out of this!

512Detail- All those things you prefer about your current car tell me that you oughta just keep it. (So says the guy who, along with his wife, will *NEVER* replace the older A8/S8 Audis that are just the way we like `em.)

Any reason to *really* think that your planned mods would be too much for a 77K engine? Some engines are barely broken it at that point. My previous Crown Vic had more miles than that when I turned up the boost and the engine handled it just fine (it was the rest of the car that wasn`t so happy about it :o ).
 
Accumulator said:
512Detail- All those things you prefer about your current car tell me that you oughta just keep it. (So says the guy who, along with his wife, will *NEVER* replace the older A8/S8 Audis that are just the way we like `em.)

Any reason to *really* think that your planned mods would be too much for a 77K engine? Some engines are barely broken it at that point. My previous Crown Vic had more miles than that when I turned up the boost and the engine handled it just fine (it was the rest of the car that wasn`t so happy about it :o ).
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no. more of a CYA type thing

I got all the bolt ons (headers, exhaust, intake)

just more along the lines of... if I get a CAM - should I get a valve job too at that mileage (adds 1k or more).. and should I go ahead and get Heads (1700 w/no labor cost) -- or just Stroke that beach (402)

I wanna go all motor maybe with a little juice later on - since STS went out of business I can`t get my dream rear mount turbo :(

I want it to sound possessed
 
512detail said:
no. more of a CYA type thing
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Yeah, I hear ya...I`m generally like that too. But some motors handle big bumps in power just fine. (Gotta confess that my experiences with the boosted Crown Vic have, for the moment ;) put me off the idea of modding the current one, even though it is just *SOOOO* slow. And it actually didn`t have the Big Problems until right after I sold it.)

I got all the bolt ons (headers, exhaust, intake)

just more along the lines of... if I get a CAM - should I get a valve job too at that mileage (adds 1k or more).. and should I go ahead and get Heads (1700 w/no labor cost) -- or just Stroke that beach (402)
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Noting that I know *nothing* about any MOPAR newer than the `70s.... I wouldn`t think it`d need a valve job, but I myself would probably do cams/heads together on most anything anyhow.

So Strokers are OK with that engine? Guys overdo that on Ford Modular motors and mess with the geometry.

I wanna go all motor maybe with a little juice later on - since STS went out of business I can`t get my dream rear mount turbo :(

I want it to sound possessed
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Heh heh...juice, sounding tough...you young guys :D I do remember being that way myself so I`m not being critical, just feeling like the oldest guy in the room, or at least the most conservative.

I`d go Forced Induction before NOS myself, but that`s probably just a generational thing.
 
512detail said:
no. more of a CYA type thing

I got all the bolt ons (headers, exhaust, intake)

just more along the lines of... if I get a CAM - should I get a valve job too at that mileage (adds 1k or more).. and should I go ahead and get Heads (1700 w/no labor cost) -- or just Stroke that beach (402)

I wanna go all motor maybe with a little juice later on - since STS went out of business I can`t get my dream rear mount turbo :(

I want it to sound possessed
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A rear mounted turbo......? You can get her to sound plenty mean with a cam and cut outs before the primary cat.:P


Rear mount turbo is too inefficient, you`ll loose power due to the decrease in kinetic energy of the exhaust as it cools on its way to the turbo. Hotter exhaust gas = faster, harder, and longer spool.
 
TheMeanGreen said:
A rear mounted turbo......? You can get her to sound plenty mean with a cam and cut outs before the primary cat.:P


Rear mount turbo is too inefficient, you`ll loose power due to the decrease in kinetic energy of the exhaust as it cools on its way to the turbo. Hotter exhaust gas = faster, harder, and longer spool.
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I don`t want to get into a mechanical argument as I`m no mechanic

I had a STS rear mount on my 99 TransAM and WOW that was nice

the rear mount turbo IS an exhaust, it goes from the headers back

unfortunately the company went out of business - not sure what caused it though

that TA I had was WAAAAY faster than my SRT
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, I hear ya...I`m generally like that too. But some motors handle big bumps in power just fine. (Gotta confess that my experiences with the boosted Crown Vic have, for the moment ;) put me off the idea of modding the current one, even though it is just *SOOOO* slow. And it actually didn`t have the Big Problems until right after I sold it.)



Noting that I know *nothing* about any MOPAR newer than the `70s.... I wouldn`t think it`d need a valve job, but I myself would probably do cams/heads together on most anything anyhow.

So Strokers are OK with that engine? Guys overdo that on Ford Modular motors and mess with the geometry.



Heh heh...juice, sounding tough...you young guys :D I do remember being that way myself so I`m not being critical, just feeling like the oldest guy in the room, or at least the most conservative.

I`d go Forced Induction before NOS myself, but that`s probably just a generational thing.
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the SRT max cam does not require a valve job but its kind of like- why not do it when you`re there - it runs within the limits of the stock valve train

I would only go forced induction if I could afford a ROOTs type SC. Kenne Bell MAMOUTH! FTW haha

the juice would only be to get this land boat of the line and lower my 60ft at the track, that`s ALL

once you wind this beast up it pulls like crazy - I get 3rd gear scratches at 83mph on the drag strip with a pair of 305 mickey t`s on there

Motors
phenomenal Mopar shop less than 1 hour from me.. I met the owner about a week after I purchased my SRT many many years ago. He smoked me in a debadged 5.7 hemi (that was FAR from stock)
STU at inertia is the only person I`d trust for my Mopar - aside from HHP in Delaware

I correct myself its a 392 400 or 407 for the 6.1 based strokers .. I can`t afford the 426
 
512detail said:
Trey, I`ve heard too many bad things via LXforums about the hellion - at least that was several years ago


perhaps they fixed the problem
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I installed one of their kits on my cousins camaro, he`s put 32,000 miles on it so far with no problems, I think when they first came out there were some qc issues but after installing one of their systems id try id again, not until forged internals though as I unfortunately know i wouldn`t run the boost at 5 psi....
 
dieselwrench said:
I installed one of their kits on my cousins camaro, he`s put 32,000 miles on it so far with no problems, I think when they first came out there were some qc issues but after installing one of their systems id try id again, not until forged internals though as I unfortunately know i wouldn`t run the boost at 5 psi....
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good to know

I`d still rather have a stroker on juice for the track
 
512detail said:
I don`t want to get into a mechanical argument as I`m no mechanic

I had a STS rear mount on my 99 TransAM and WOW that was nice

the rear mount turbo IS an exhaust, it goes from the headers back

unfortunately the company went out of business - not sure what caused it though

that TA I had was WAAAAY faster than my SRT
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That`s fine, we won`t argue, but I would just like to bring to your attention that a `rear mount` turbo setup is typically found at the rear of front engined car (think feet of exhaust pipe between the exit flange of the header and intake flange on the hot side of the turbine, a typical setup uses inches of exhaust pipe between these two flanges, if at all). All turbo setups are part of the exhaust system as exhaust gasses spin the `hot` side of the turbine connected to a shaft that spins the `cold side` compressor.

You are right with a rear mount setup creating a unique sound, but for me, the large amount of additional piping and the increase in turbo lag/response is not worth the uniqueness.
 
Accumulator said:
Noting that I know *nothing* about any MOPAR newer than the `70s.... I wouldn`t think it`d need a valve job, but I myself would probably do cams/heads together on most anything anyhow.



I`d go Forced Induction before NOS myself, but that`s probably just a generational thing.
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Recutting/reseating the valves and replacing all of the seals, guides, retainers, etc. is to be on the safe side. Depending on lift and duration, springs will need to addressed as well, valve float is a killer. A new cam also brings into consideration decking the cylinder heads as heat cycles can cause warping (aluminum heads and highish mileage) and uneven seating upon installation to the block, pushrod length also needs to be checked, especially if the rockers have limited or no lash adjustment. As the pushrods may become too long after decking the heads (A thicker head gasket *can* be used as compensation). And now that we are making more power, a cooler thermostat should be looked into, subjective to climate, as more power equals more heat, if the climate is hot enough maybe slightly colder plugs, of course that will be more based on timing, too. Last but not least, TUNING, a loon can take a $60k engine build and melt that sucker in a minute with little limited tuning experience.


Oh and I almost forgot about lifters, every cam will create it`s own profile to its own lifters, even individual lobes and lifters, on the same cam, can create (slightly) different profiles from one another. A new cam always requires new lifters.

**Edit: One more thing, the timing chain/sprocket (crank and cam) or at least it`s tensioner should be looked at, just the right amount of slack can create a nightmare.
 
TheMeanGreen said:
That`s fine, we won`t argue, but I would just like to bring to your attention that a `rear mount` turbo setup is typically found at the rear of front engined car (think feet of exhaust pipe between the exit flange of the header and intake flange on the hot side of the turbine, a typical setup uses inches of exhaust pipe between these two flanges, if at all). All turbo setups are part of the exhaust system as exhaust gasses spin the `hot` side of the turbine connected to a shaft that spins the `cold side` compressor.

You are right with a rear mount setup creating a unique sound, but for me, the large amount of additional piping and the increase in turbo lag/response is not worth the uniqueness.
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i would still do it again if i could

but i see what you`re saying

i already have a 180tstat installed since 2009

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Appreciate all the info from you guys who know from (modern) MOPARS.

With the Crown Vics getting phased out everywhere I sometimes wonder about getting an LX, though the rocker-rust issue is kinda a dealbreaker for me and honestly, the Crown Vic is better for my specific application.

Still....Police Package Charger with a ScatPack engine...I do like to toy with the idea. Too bad they`re just not big enough (rear seat/trunk) for my needs (heh heh, my wallet would say "luckily" instead of "too bad" ;) ). And that rust issue...I know how my luck goes with stuff like that :(
 
6.4 is much better than the 6.1 IMO and obviously the 8 speed is great.

I have driven them all the scat pack is the best bang for the buck...shaker is a personal preference obviously. Just like color

You will be so happy driving that 6.4 car it`s just so fun stock. Not that a 6.1 isn`t but it is quite a leap

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Belly up to the bar and go for broke. I know, personal, I have missed out on certain things because of hesitation. I can`t speak for you pocket book, but it sounds like you got a game plan.
 
jtford95 said:
Belly up to the bar and go for broke. I know, personal, I have missed out on certain things because of hesitation. I can`t speak for you pocket book, but it sounds like you got a game plan.
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I did that 7 years ago and I the more I think about it the less I want to do that again!

I think I would regret selling my car more than I would enjoy having the shaker 392 in the long run - that car, so much history, even the songs on the hard drive , when they come up. It brings me back in time. memories. etc

so tough to decide
 
Do all this stuff now when you are young and have disposal income. Who knows in 5 years you could be married with a child or two and these cars will be way gone cause you got other priorities
Then when you get to Ron`s age you can buy and enjoy fun cars again after you pay your responsible adult time




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MattPersman said:
Do all this stuff now when you are young and have disposal income. Who knows in 5 years you could be married with a child or two and these cars will be way gone cause you got other priorities
Then when you get to Ron`s age you can buy and enjoy fun cars again after you pay your responsible adult time




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Really depends on several factors though such as lifestyle, how many kids and so forth. I am married with a young one and could get by with something like a challenger if I wanted. We take my wife`s car everywhere and my car may only see 5k miles or so a year, depending on how much I want to drive it.

That being said, it is practical having a four door hatch versus a two door coupe, but not a necessity.
 
MattPersman said:
Then when you get to Ron`s age you can buy and enjoy fun cars again after you pay your responsible adult time




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