No-Bama Care ?????

No one except the designers of ObamaCare actually thought it would be affordable to do that. The notion that insurance companies previously charged high premiums, or withheld coverage, from “high-risk” customers because they were evil and mean and greedy, but now Daddy Obama would make them see the error of their ways, was the dumbest and most expensive political ````` tale of the modern era.

What ObamaCare actually does is socialize the costs of coverage by penalizing healthy people, to the point of outright robbery. In order to keep the peasants from revolting, the true cost of this crackpot program was hidden through “risk corridor” bailout programs. The idea was that the system would go kaboom, because even the jacked-up premiums ObamaCare customers are seeing aren’t really enough to cover the costs, but the financial explosion would be delayed by soaking taxpayers for massive insurance company bailouts.


Insurance Giants Cancel ObamaCare Expansion Plans as Premiums Skyrocket - Breitbart
 
Health care for people that are young and not sick? Drop them when they actually need health care? Those are stocks I need to invest in. No way to lose. What`s next, car insurance foe people without cars?
 
as a quite healthy 32 year old I don`t see a need to pay someone to insure my health...if I got sick I would go to a dr and pay them for their service. yea it might cost me more for that specific visit but the whole premise in my logic would be "hey lets not get sick, lets try to stay healthy" (more money for detail products, right?haha)

I`m not trying to get all political or anything but, hey I like free stuff too...like free gift at $50 purchase or something that (incentivized FREE stuff)..

now I digress...

I run a very small business, sometimes I think... what if everyone that called for a detail.. I told them, "yeah, just swing it by I`ll knock it out no charge" .. .how long would I be detailing? well about until I ran out of the products I currently had. (this is of course assuming I am ok with working for free and my neighbors and auto zone are cool with me taking their stuff to use- for free of course)

so lets say I`m able to just go over to some person`s house and grab a few ounces of RW or wax or whatever from them. what happens when I run out of neighbors with RW and wax?

well I guess we will just borrow it from AutoZone, I mean its just right there...

ok I will stop because I think I got the point across...


now I need to go find a safe place myself
 
And most people posting in these threads remember when healthcare wasn`t a "right" (even though it still isn`t it`s a mandatory paid obligation).

But I do remember that company paid health insurance used to be a "perk"
 
Ronkh said:
And most people posting in these threads remember when healthcare wasn`t a "right" (even though it still isn`t it`s a mandatory paid obligation).

But I do remember that company paid health insurance used to be a "perk"
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When someone says healthcare is a right, I have the following questions:
1) Where is it stated in Bill of Rights that Healthcare or the equivalent thereof is a right guaranteed by Gov?
2) If healthcare is a right, then what is the associated responsibility and the penalty for not meeting that responsibility? EVERY right has an attached responsibility...that`s they way they work. I have a right to free speech, but I can not slander another or say something that directly causes them bodily harm i.e. yelling fire in a theater. I have the right to the pursuit of happiness, but not if that hurts another. So if healthcare is a right, then that implies that a person has the responsibility to maintain their health. If not, then you sacrifice your right. That`s how it works. So, if you are an obese, non-compliant diabetic and you need a cardiac bypass...sorry, you squandered your "right" to that. That is how rights work.
 
Obamacare was never perfect but if some people can get some health care and pre-existing conditions are now considered the norm then I consider it progress. The opposition (as the Obamacare proponents) never have done the next step with getting drug prices under control/ American`s should not be the primary subsidizer of Pharma profits). There has been zero leadership from the right on fixing an almost monopoly. If the right wants to own the issue, they can do much to make progress besides focusing on repealing Obamacare without any real alternative..lot of talk but no real bills in Congress.

But the point here is not to make progress on health care costs but to just blame people.
 
Bunky said:
Obamacare was never perfect but if some people can get some health care and pre-existing conditions are now considered the norm then I consider it progress. The opposition (as the Obamacare proponents) never have done the next step with getting drug prices under control/ American`s should not be the primary subsidizer of Pharma profits). There has been zero leadership from the right on fixing an almost monopoly. If the right wants to own the issue, they can do much to make progress besides focusing on repealing Obamacare without any real alternative..lot of talk but no real bills in Congress.

But the point here is not to make progress on health care costs but to just blame people.
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The only useful thing it did, was pre existing conditions. It will NEVER get medical/pharm costs down. NEVER, because people don`t care "it doesn`t come out of their pockets"

Want to drive costs down? Make people pay for their own stuff.

ex Lasik. Look at what it used to cost against what it costs now.

Al, stop reading the O/C playbook and reason it out for yourself.
 
@Bunky,
I hear people talk about drug prices all the time and yet they have NO IDEA of the cost of getting a drug to market. First, there is the research. For every one study that leads to a new therapy, 100 or so yielded nothing. Second, you have to have multiple trials both animal and human and those are VERY expensive. Then the drug has to reviewed by FDA...more paperwork and more money and likely more studies. So, we can either have the safety net of the FDA or we can have cheap drugs. With that said, I see where the anger comes from given the high CEO salaries but that is a small part of the bigger picture. Innovation cost money and the profits from drugs like Viagra fund research for HIV drugs, the new cure for Hep C (which is HUGE btw), etc.
I`ll give two ways that you could increase the availability of healthcare:
(1) Medical Malpractice reform aka Tort Reform- lowers insurance cost, reduces the number of unnecessary test and lowers operating cost.
(2) Tax reform- allow physicians and hospitals to write off losses for providing indigent care.
- both have been discussed and shut down by the "left"...likely due to their close ties trial attorney lobbies.
 
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