Licensed Detailers and OSHA Regulations

Lonnie

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In today`s local newspaper (Green Bay Press Gazette), a lawyer from Tennessee wrote a guest commentary about his state`s requirement for those who shampoo hair to be licensed and have over 300 hours in training to do so. The main points of his commentary are:
1) The cost of the license keeps out competition and drives higher prices for services
2) It prevents the poor or low-income wage earners from getting jobs in less-skilled positions, such as washing hair at a beauty salon or spa
3) There is NO training program or school in Tennessee that teaches JUST hair shampooing, so someone MUST become a beautician or cosmologist in order to wash hair (hence, the 300 hours of training/education requirement)
4) Continuing education requirements and annual state-license renewals are cost-prohibitive to people working in these "less-skilled, hence lower-paying professions".
His points are well taken and Tennessee is now in the process of re-evaluating its licensing needs for less-skilled occupations.

I know that there are some of you who have asked if there are any certifications for detailers. I would hope that my state (Wisconsin) does not require the need to have a license for detailers. It seems to require some state license or certificate to work in a self-owned business EXCEPT, lawn care and snow removal services, handyman services, vehicle detailers, and on-line sales of second-hand items (Ebay and Craig`s list). When I think about this, these are probably the four most unregulated self-employed garage/home/cottage-based cash-only businesses in my home state.

My concern is this: Does a license tell you that that person is competent enough to perform the task or service your are paying the person to do??

For those of you who do have legitimate detailing business (IE, you are: 1) legally registered as an LLC, Inc., Company, or enterprise with a local, state, and federal government, 2) pay business ,FICA, and Social Security taxes; 3) have business insurance; 4) have taken training and purchased equipment to be compliant with all local, state, and federal safety (OSHA) regulations; 5) have local licenses as required by municipal ordinances), you are well aware of your costs associated with being a "legitimate business" and why you find it "difficult" to compete with fly-by-night/underground/garage cash-only"businesses"` who do not have the above mentioned costs-of-doing-business.
Would licensing change that??

I also know that OSHA requirements can be cost-prohibitive and somewhat counter-productive. Having worked in the manufacturing sector, I am well aware of the training need to be compliant with those regulations and the cost of equipment needed for safety. For those of you who may be mobile detailers, I doubt many of you carry MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) binder of the chemicals you use or have a HAZMAT-compliant chemical spill kit with you. Like when you knock over and spill your quart can of 3M Adhesive Remover or gallon of acid wheel cleaner in a customer`s drive way or garage. (Think neighbors or customer asking, "What is that smell?", then calling the police or fire department, and its implications to you and your business, legit or not).
Would licensing change that??

I`d like to get fellow Autopian`s , both professional and hobbyist, thoughts on this somewhat "controversial" facet of detailing. Kind of like religion and politics; we don`t talk about them in public conversations.
 
If you look at "licensing", all the license really says is that you on that date, proved competence.... Same as a drivers license. Imho it`s a way for the govt to make $$$. Example: CT paramedics are "licensed", the pay their $75.00 and get their paper (after initial cert classes and testing). But in order to work as a paramedic, you have to have medical control. So med control and the services that they over see are left with the headache of making sure they get thier refresher classes", annual skills checks etc.

I am venturing a guess here that most of the haz mats that are carried by detailers fall below the threshold of placarding. Wanna guess how many chemicals are in that ups truck that stopped at your house??
 
My concern is this: Does a license tell you that that person is competent enough to perform the task or service your are paying the person to do??

no, look at half the drivers on the road. i always wondered how some senior citizens are still able to hold one when they are clearly not able to control the vehicle.

as for as services.. i think it just depends on the level of business.

mom and pop barber shop that charges $10 per cut? i wouldnt care if they had a licenses to wash my hair.
high end beauty salon that women pay hundreds of dollars to get their hair done? it would be nice if everyone had a licenses
 
It`s all to make $ and make it harder on small businesses starting out/competition.

Just because:

A mechanic is ASE certified doesn`t make him a good mechanic
A person has a driver`s license doesn`t make them a good driver
A person has a college degree doesn`t mean they are smart

When people look for services, IME the main traits being requested are "honest" , "reliable" and non related but I have to add "cheap" of course. Certifications/Licenses/Degrees do not teach such personal traits like integrity/honesty/passion/attention to detail, so for the most part to me it`s just an expensive piece of paper hanging on the wall .
 
It`s all to make $ and make it harder on small businesses starting out/competition.

Just because:

A mechanic is ASE certified doesn`t make him a good mechanic
A person has a driver`s license doesn`t make them a good driver
A person has a college degree doesn`t mean they are smart

When people look for services, IME the main traits being requested are "honest" , "reliable" and non related but I have to add "cheap" of course. Certifications/Licenses/Degrees do not teach such personal traits like integrity/honesty/passion/attention to detail, so for the most part to me it`s just an expensive piece of paper hanging on the wall .

This. 100% agree.

Although being able to say you`re licensed can mean something in terms of marketing simply because of the fact that there are MANY people out there that associate being licensed with being good at what you do. As often as that can turn out not to be true. There are many people who would go with the licensed guy over the non licensed guy.

i don`t personally like the idea. It really is just a money grab, and this isn`t exactly a profession where screwing something up can turn into a life or death situation, so being properly trained when you really think about it, isn`t a big deal
 
Although being able to say you`re licensed can mean something in terms of marketing simply because of the fact that there are MANY people out there that associate being licensed with being good at what you do. As often as that can turn out not to be true. There are many people who would go with the licensed guy over the non licensed guy.


Very true, I see it more as a marketing tool for the ignorant customers that only fall for that, but at the same time by using that marketing tool I am saying it is ok for some money grabbing association to determine whether I am qualified to produce results or not, and I`d be helping said association grow .
 
Myself and my team, have lobbied Congress to implement a new rule that states that all automobiles are to be washed by licensed professionals. This will force customers to hire guys like us!!! Just in case that`s a bad idea, there`s a fund to counter act the pending legislation. The fund is in the name of EXPDetailing. To make a donation, just google it; you`ll find it.
 
It`s all to make $ and make it harder on small businesses starting out/competition.

Just because:

A mechanic is ASE certified doesn`t make him a good mechanic
A person has a driver`s license doesn`t make them a good driver
A person has a college degree doesn`t mean they are smart

When people look for services, IME the main traits being requested are "honest" , "reliable" and non related but I have to add "cheap" of course. Certifications/Licenses/Degrees do not teach such personal traits like integrity/honesty/passion/attention to detail, so for the most part to me it`s just an expensive piece of paper hanging on the wall .

well said!

kind of reminds me of the BBB. all you have to do is pay them to get the plaque on your wall lol.

which reminds me... did you know you can pay yelp to take down negative reviews? i read that on the internet somewhere.
 
It`s all to make $ and make it harder on small businesses starting out/competition.

Just because:

A mechanic is ASE certified doesn`t make him a good mechanic
A person has a driver`s license doesn`t make them a good driver
A person has a college degree doesn`t mean they are smart

When people look for services, IME the main traits being requested are "honest" , "reliable" and non related but I have to add "cheap" of course. Certifications/Licenses/Degrees do not teach such personal traits like integrity/honesty/passion/attention to detail, so for the most part to me it`s just an expensive piece of paper hanging on the wall .

I also agree 100%! :bigups
 
From the International Detailing Association (IDA) website:

Membership benefits include: ground-breaking articles on changes to the industry, best practices and business tips; training, educational and professional certification programs; and access to resources and information unattainable without an international network of professional members.

Sounds exactly like the information available for free, here on Autopia.



 
Funny you mention shampooing hair.

Growing up, from elementary school (around age 6) my mother was a cosmetologist, then a bit later progressed to a salon owner where she first started work at. My dad had a dry cleaners, and a satellite location with a shoe repair shop. After a couple year of running both businesses he sold all his and they opened 1 more, then another salon. Making 3 total, which they had till well after I was out of high school. But during high school, I started washing hair. Probably started around 13~14 for my mom`s friends. Then later when I wasn`t working at the grocery store (started at 16) I`d still work at the salon. Her friends she`d been doing their hair for YEARS (since I was a kid) but they all LOVED me shampooing their hair, and tipped pretty darned good.

Of course as I got older I only helped there during really busy times, and especially around Thanksgiving and Christmas. For some reason back in the 70`s women really got their hair fixed up for the Holidays. ;) They`d tip $20 when I was making $2.225 at the grocery store so I didn`t mind it at all.

Did that make me a hairstylist? Me don`t think so!

Did I put in my required 300 hours? YOU BETCHA! :D

I bet I had that many in well before I turned 18 in fact! :)

Now if only I`d listened to my folks back then, and gotten into that business. Y`all`s wives would all be washing their hair with Hair-Daddy`s products! Heheheeeee

FWIW, Vidal Sassoon used to travel the country in his station wagon, charging $150~$200 for a daily seminar, showing hair cutting styles. My mom had him come in twice in fact. Back then.... there was no such thing as shelves and shelves full of Vidal Sassoon hair products, and look at it now. Yup, should`a listened to my Momma!
 
The threshold for placarding in NY is 1000 lbs. not sure if that is state or federal. It is in the originating state for sure. If I load in NY and drive to NJ I need to placard for sure. Also paperwork needs to carry a red tab at the line if the hazmat item so that is it is easily pull and identified out of a stack of papers.

Drivers who have hazmats must undergo a background check, fingerprinting and dmv testing to be issued a hazmat. That all costs big. Bucks.

I was required to get a twic card in order to enter secure facilities for my work. The world is changing and it`s only going to get worse.

Some of it is a money grab and some is in the name of security.

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If you look at "licensing", all the license really says is that you on that date, proved competence.... Same as a drivers license. Imho it`s a way for the govt to make $$$. Example: CT paramedics are "licensed", the pay their $75.00 and get their paper (after initial cert classes and testing). But in order to work as a paramedic, you have to have medical control. So med control and the services that they over see are left with the headache of making sure they get thier refresher classes", annual skills checks etc.

I am venturing a guess here that most of the haz mats that are carried by detailers fall below the threshold of placarding. Wanna guess how many chemicals are in that ups truck that stopped at your house??
 
The threshold for placarding in NY is 1000 lbs. not sure if that is state or federal. It is in the originating state for sure. If I load in NY and drive to NJ I need to placard for sure. Also paperwork needs to carry a red tab at the line if the hazmat item so that is it is easily pull and identified out of a stack of papers.

Drivers who have hazmats must undergo a background check, fingerprinting and dmv testing to be issued a hazmat. That all costs big. Bucks.

I was required to get a twic card in order to enter secure facilities for my work. The world is changing and it`s only going to get worse.

Some of it is a money grab and some is in the name of security.

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I`m all for placarding and hazmat training etc. THe licensing I was referring to when I aid it was useless was a license to shampoo hair.

Heck, I still carry a niosh pocket guide and ERG.
 
Heck, I still carry a niosh pocket guide and ERG.

Hah, not a bad idea.

Totally unrelated, but we have to go through lockout/tagout training along with Arc Flash with the industry I work in. I tend to carry a NEC book with me. We actually had an inspection the other day for lockout/tagout. One guy was working on a live panel (480 volts...) without lockouts or protection. Yea that was a helluva write-up.
 
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I`m all for placarding and hazmat training etc. THe licensing I was referring to when I aid it was useless was a license to shampoo hair.

Heck, I still carry a niosh pocket guide and ERG.

The NIOSH (from the Center for Disease Control: The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) Ronkh is referring to is:
CDC - NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards (NPG)
(If someone can explain how this Institute is under the auspices of the Center for Disease Control (CDC), let me know!)
 
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