No-Bama Care ?????

As far as the aca (ocare) being done by "our" representatives....????? um no. First off as far as I recall, not one said they read the whole thing before voting for it. Second, not one republican was even allowed in the room when discussing it. They didnt need nor want differing view points.... Remember Pelosi bragging about their super majority (which imho NO party should have.) Third Mr. Im an economics professor laughing about how they would have to lie to the public to get it passed???? Fourth The President of the United States LYING to the public about lower rates (the average family would save $2500/year, lower co-pays, and keep your Dr. All BS ! Or no, its not a tax, Oh but your Honor, it is a tax..........

The only thing ocare did was prove how gullible they are, and how they think government will take care of them.

As far as a Canadian type system, well go make an appointment for a hip transplant...... you may get one in 2018.
 
Ronkh said:
As far as the aca (ocare) being done by "our" representatives....????? um no. First off as far as I recall, not one said they read the whole thing before voting for it. Second, not one republican was even allowed in the room when discussing it. They didnt need nor want differing view points.... Remember Pelosi bragging about their super majority (which imho NO party should have.) Third Mr. Im an economics professor laughing about how they would have to lie to the public to get it passed???? Fourth The President of the United States LYING to the public about lower rates (the average family would save $2500/year, lower co-pays, and keep your Dr. All BS ! Or no, its not a tax, Oh but your Honor, it is a tax..........

The only thing ocare did was prove how gullible they are, and how they think government will take care of them.

As far as a Canadian type system, well go make an appointment for a hip transplant...... you may get one in 2018.
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Again .. pointing out the elephant in the room ... We need answers and ideas by anyone to move forward..other than Bernie (sorry not feeling the Bern)
 
Poorboy said:
Again .. pointing out the elephant in the room ... We need answers and ideas by anyone to move forward..other than Bernie (sorry not feeling the Bern)
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Well considering the "elephant in the room" is responsible for more that 1/6th of our economy just in $$$$. Do you really want to wait and see what happens to companies and our economy when the complete employer mandate kicks in ?

The new norm is a 32 hour work week, whats going to happen when it gets lowered, same as a "tax on the wealthy", well it will trickle down faster than Niagara Falls......

I do find it humorous that Hillary is running around saying that before it was Obama care it was Hillary care. Probably the only time she decided NOT to lie to the American public.
 
Ronkh said:
Well considering the "elephant in the room" is responsible for more that 1/6th of our economy just in $$$$. Do you really want to wait and see what happens to companies and our economy when the complete employer mandate kicks in ?

The new norm is a 32 hour work week, whats going to happen when it gets lowered, same as a "tax on the wealthy", well it will trickle down faster than Niagara Falls......

I do find it humorous that Hillary is running around saying that before it was Obama care it was Hillary care. Probably the only time she decided NOT to lie to the American public.
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Yes, but whats the plan to fix it? If your Vette stopped running .. you would tell the dealer to fix it, not tell you about other cars that had problems that couldnt be helped and how much Chevy spent designing and your car.
 
Poorboy said:
Yes, but whats the plan to fix it? If your Vette stopped running .. you would tell the dealer to fix it, not tell you about other cars that had problems that couldnt be helped and how much Chevy spent designing and your car.
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Im sorry. There is no way to fix it at this point. Its like trying to turn a pickle back into a cucumber - it just cant happen. The main reason why there is no way to fix it - is because the people dont want to fix it.

Most people have it in their head these days that either God, The United States, or some other entity is responsible for their healthcare, paying to raise and educate their children, and providing all their necessities of life. This is the modern mentality of entitlement.

The only way we are going back is through some type of take over or revolution - not that Im advocating that or expecting to see that. I predict entitlements and income redistribution will continue to increase exponentially until the country is completely broke and nobody will lend us a nickel.
 
Poorboy said:
Yes, but whats the plan to fix it? If your Vette stopped running .. you would tell the dealer to fix it, not tell you about other cars that had problems that couldnt be helped and how much Chevy spent designing and your car.
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This is me youre talking to.... $vw$ remember. History.

But since you made your life in detailing, Ill put it in detailing terms as before.

Polish a turd, its still a TURD. Just a little shinier......
 
Fundamentally flawed. Might have some shiny patches but there is rust in those rear quarters. You can sling a little plastic, spray a little paint and make more shiny areas but the rust is still there. Simply said, there was never a way to pay for this that does not hurt the masses.
 
Swanicyouth said:
Im sorry. There is no way to fix it at this point. Its like trying to turn a pickle back into a cucumber - it just cant happen. The main reason why there is no way to fix it - is because the people dont want to fix it.

Most people have it in their head these days that either God, The United States, or some other entity is responsible for their healthcare, paying to raise and educate their children, and providing all their necessities of life. This is the modern mentality of entitlement.

The only way we are going back is through some type of take over or revolution - not that Im advocating that or expecting to see that. I predict entitlements and income redistribution will continue to increase exponentially until the country is completely broke and nobody will lend us a nickel.
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I completely agree with this. Youve got a lot of people that are getting some form of care now thanks to taxing people that actually work. No politician is going to reverse that
 
Swanicyouth said:
Im sorry. There is no way to fix it at this point. Its like trying to turn a pickle back into a cucumber - it just cant happen. The main reason why there is no way to fix it - is because the people dont want to fix it.

Most people have it in their head these days that either God, The United States, or some other entity is responsible for their healthcare, paying to raise and educate their children, and providing all their necessities of life. This is the modern mentality of entitlement.

The only way we are going back is through some type of take over or revolution - not that Im advocating that or expecting to see that. I predict entitlements and income redistribution will continue to increase exponentially until the country is completely broke and nobody will lend us a nickel.
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Great analogy.
 
Swanicyouth said:
Im sorry. There is no way to fix it at this point. Its like trying to turn a pickle back into a cucumber - it just cant happen. The main reason why there is no way to fix it - is because the people dont want to fix it.

Most people have it in their head these days that either God, The United States, or some other entity is responsible for their healthcare, paying to raise and educate their children, and providing all their necessities of life. This is the modern mentality of entitlement.

The only way we are going back is through some type of take over or revolution - not that Im advocating that or expecting to see that. I predict entitlements and income redistribution will continue to increase exponentially until the country is completely broke and nobody will lend us a nickel.
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It certainly is broken and we have become a country of extremism .. the government has stepped into places it doesnt belong, but some type of repair , even if slight , has to start with Congress meeting somewhere in the middle as they have done in the past ... there has to be changes in loopholes for some people and corporations .. but we are a democracy and the goal of most people is to have a better life than their parents and make more money ..

Ronkh said:
This is me youre talking to.... $vw$ remember. History.

But since you made your life in detailing, Ill put it in detailing terms as before.

Polish a turd, its still a TURD. Just a little shinier......
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Yeah I know, I know , but you still loved that Turd for a while and made it shine when it did run good, then traded it in and got a decent return for the turd... not sure where that was going :wacko:

GearHead_1 said:
Fundamentally flawed. Might have some shiny patches but there is rust in those rear quarters. You can sling a little plastic, spray a little paint and make more shiny areas but the rust is still there. Simply said, there was never a way to pay for this that does not hurt the masses.
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True, but many who like their classic car would cut off the rust and weld on a good quarter ( just welded patches to my Caddy fenders cause there are no good replacements out there that also didnt need work)

Ronkh said:
Hmmmmmm

Sounds like Greece to me. A true Greek tragedy.
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If we could retire and live on government stipends like they have been doing, I would totally agree. Just received my annual " what you would be paid if you retire statement from Social Security" and it isnt realistic unless you have saved a lot and / or have a pension.
 
Poorboy said:
Yeah I know, I know , but you still loved that Turd for a while and made it shine when it did run good, then traded it in and got a decent return for the turd... not sure where that was going :wacko:
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That I scrapped it and started over.
 
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