476s wants to overload & collapse my pads, need advice.

Don

Don

Darth Camaro 12/27/15
I've used 845 with excellent results and I wanted to try the 476s that I have in the garage. The problem is that even a little bit of the wax wants to 'overload' my polishing pad make it "collapse" to where it's nothing but a thin wafer. I had a similar problem with Ultimate Paste on a finishing pad until I tried a firmer polishing pad, then all was well.

I tried to apply the 476s with a polishing pad to my car and I immediately ran into the same problem as with the UPW and the finishing pad, so I switched to 845 and there were no problems at all. I can't figure it out unless it's because I'm not dampening the pad before or after applying a small amount of the past wax with water or a qd.



Why am I having such a hard time with paste waxes lately? Right now I'm using the Meguiar's thin 5" pads and I haven't had a bit of trouble with any LIQUID product, just paste waxes.



Anyone have any tips?
 
How are you putting the paste on the pad ?. I have B&S pads and used the Red pad with 476S, 845 and 885 with no problems. I was using a hand held applictor to get the wax from the can then wipe onto the B&S pad which was a very thin layer but the heat melts the wax so a reload is not needed as often, with liquids it is easier to see the amount you are putting on the pad. with a paste not so much.

Dave
 
I use a butter knife and take a quarter-sized piece of wax out of the can and spread it as far as it will go on the pad. Basically untuil I can see more pad than wax and apply it to the car from there. Pastes just don't seem to like me.
 
Try experimenting with less, remember that paste is going to liquify from the friction and turn into the liquid. Spray a little water on the pad then apply a little paste and see if that helps. Good luck

Dave
 
I had been trying it dry, perhaps you're right and I need to dampen the pad and use less.
 
Don said:
Why am I having such a hard time with paste waxes lately? Right now I'm using the Meguiar's thin 5" pads and I haven't had a bit of trouble with any LIQUID product, just paste waxes.



Anyone have any tips?
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Quit trying to apply a paste wax using a machine


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I apply 476S (and my other paste waxes) via machine more often than not, turns out subtly better than by hand and the physical aspect of it is completely different (can do it via machine when unable to do it by hand).

Don- Yeah, the application medium should be *slightly* damp for 476S,but don't overdo it. I rewet now and then rather than get it wet enough to stay that way for a long time.

I'd use *FAR* less wax. Yeah, it's a bigger PIA but it'll work out better. I apply a small amount of wax to the pad several/numerous times and then I try to scrape as much wax back *out* of the pad as possible. I do it with a plastic razor blade.

FWIW, my 476S doesn't liquify *NEARLY* as much as M16 does, that's the "paste wax that turns liquid" and it's really something to use that product via machine. Doesn't last like 476S though and has a different look.
 
Accumulator said:
I apply 476S (and my other paste waxes) via machine more often than not, turns out subtly better than by hand and the physical aspect of it is completely different (can do it via machine when unable to do it by hand).

Don- Yeah, the application medium should be *slightly* damp for 476S,but don't overdo it. I rewet now and then rather than get it wet enough to stay that way for a long time.

I'd use *FAR* less wax. Yeah, it's a bigger PIA but it'll work out better. I apply a small amount of wax to the pad several/numerous times and then I try to scrape as much wax back *out* of the pad as possible. I do it with a plastic razor blade.

FWIW, my 476S doesn't liquify *NEARLY* as much as M16 does, that's the "paste wax that turns liquid" and it's really something to use that product via machine. Doesn't last like 476S though and has a different look.
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I do it the same way, apply a bit of wax to the pad then use the knife to remove as much as possible and spread it around on the pad. I may experiment using a QD before applying the wax, maybe that will help keep the wax on the surface where it will apply to the car instead of sinking in to the pad and causing problems. I've used M16 in the past before Meguiar's killed it in the US and it's an awesome wax, I still have about 1/2 can left, not sure what I'm saving it for.
 
I like to use a 4" B&S pad with their 3.5" backing plate. The pad fits inside the can opening, I just wiggle the pad back and forth a couple of times, get just a tiny bit of wax on the pad and start spreading. I use a spray bottle filled with water, and give the pad a squirt every 3rd time or so to keep the pad moist, and the wax spreading. I find this much easier than using a knife or CC to spread wax on a larger pad.
 
RPPM- I've done that a few times with the Cyclo but for some reason I always go back to applying it the regular way. Maybe because I still have to scrape off the excess, maybe because the Cyclo is a bit bulky for that kind of thing.

Don- I sometimes wonder whether a leaves-stuff-behind QD will mess with the wax in some way, but I've done that myself with FK425/FK1000P and I guess it's not really different from my "pseudo-spitshine" approach with Griot's SpeedShine, which I've done with both M16 and 476S. As long as the QD and wax aren't somehow incompatible....
 
Accumulator said:
Don- I sometimes wonder whether a leaves-stuff-behind QD will mess with the wax in some way, but I've done that myself with FK425/FK1000P and I guess it's not really different from my "pseudo-spitshine" approach with Griot's SpeedShine, which I've done with both M16 and 476S. As long as the QD and wax aren't somehow incompatible....
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I planned on using Meguiar's basic Quick Detailer, the stuff in the maroon bottle, not the UQD, or the GC QD. Or maybe just water. I don't know yet, but it's all moot if it doesn't stop raining.
 
Trouble said:
Call me a goofball, but I enjoy a nice hand job every once in awhile
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Applying by hand is kind of relaxing to me although I tend to get it a little thicker that way. When doing the RV it is a different story on 900+ square feet of fiberglass.

Dave
 
davidc said:
Applying by hand is kind of relaxing to me although I tend to get it a little thicker that way..
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Heh heh, talk about how different people are different and how the "YMMV" thing always applies! I sure don't find anything detailing-related "relaxing" and I apply LSPs *MUCH* thinner by hand than I can by machine!
 
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