Spray waxes vs the stuff in tins?

Just a quick question: Are the quick and easy spray waxes just as good, and offer just as much protection as the high ender stuff that comes in tins? I want to say no way, because typically when something takes more time and effort, you`re going to get a better result. And those sprays always seemed gimicky to me. Like it was just some half azzed way to kinda get a barrier up, that didn`t take much work. Something that the companies knew they`d sell a lot of, because its easier. But maybe I`m wrong, and they`re just as good. The claims on the bottles of spray (i know, I know) seem to suggest crazy things like 2 years of protection. Opinions around here seem to vary at 3-6-12 months for a good quality traditional wax. So which one is actually better? Maybe these sprays are just newer technology, that is indeed better than the old method?

Spray waxes are great as a drying aid and topper to a coating or sealant. They add a nice sacrificial layer, and make drying easier but they don’t offer the same protection as a durable paste product. That’s just me, though.

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Enter the new kid on the block..

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This really changed my mind that a spray wax could be so good. Granted, Extended, Implying that this is indeed a booster for your current LSP. In my case EXTENDING the Hydro Blue that is currently on the Xterra. This product blew me away in every aspect. Easy to use. Can be used as a drying aid. Direct sun, believe it or not, is not a problem. Never streaked or smeared. The gloss and water behavior are off the chart. I will admit I thought great, another spray wax, but this one does indeed stand alone. That is 5 year old paint. Outside 24/7.

Use a good spray wax once a week, and reapply after rain, and after a wash, then yeah, its as good as paste. But rather than trying that, use it as a booster for your favorite LSP.

I got through the entire summer, here in Florida, using spray waxes or certain QD`s on top of LSP, on a black car. It`s beading like crazy and I waxed it back in May.

One STAND ALONE spray wax that comes to mind is WOLFGANG FUZION SPRAY WAX. Made a big noise when it was released. It has gotten many positive reviews. I have never tried it.

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Products have come a long way. Work smarter not harder. Hydro Blue allows me to lay down serious gloss and protection in 5 min. Followed by the Extender spray wax to maintain. I have found this combo to be perfect.

Don`t forget Meguiar`s Ultimate Fast Finish, it`s been holding up really well on my black Camaro for most of the summer.

No. The spray waxes will not last as long as say Fusso coat or 1000p probably many others like dodo super natural hybrid and there are other Sio2/ceramic infused waxes coming to market. Mostly over seas right now but they will be copied or come here eventually


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Optimum Car Wax (OCW) - which is a spray on wax/polymer product - is marketed as being equivalent (or better actually) than traditional paste waxes. This Rag Co. video came to mind when reading the OP`s first post...

https://youtu.be/j-H3p4dVoXk

If you consider all spray-on "protectants" as spray waxes, there are a number of good ones that come to mind...

CarPro Reload, Prima Hydro MAX, any of the Polish Angel sprays... there are many that provide protection equivalent and even better to paste waxes.

And then you have the WOWA products, which is a whole new discussion.

The rabbit hole gets very deep [emoji3].

PRIMA WAX AS YOU DRY.

https://www.autopia-carcare.com/prim...l#.WdoT77pFxjo

Still has a place in my mind. One of the best, and still is in that category.

Back in the day.....

https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-d...wax+as+you+dry

I`ve used OCW on a couple of vehicles for extended periods (3+ years). I can say with confidence it protects paint from mother nature better than most "sealants.". It does need reapplication every two months for maximum effectiveness. It also does a great job at keeping trim looking like new. My four year old Jeep had fenders that looked brand new while most turned gray within a couple of years.

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PRIMA WAX AS YOU DRY.

https://www.autopia-carcare.com/prim...l#.WdoT77pFxjo

Still has a place in my mind. One of the best, and still is in that category.

Back in the day.....

https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-d...wax+as+you+dry

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I was a big fan of the Prima Hydro Max Super Spray Polymer. It`s sad to see the decline of the Prima line.

PRIMA HYDRO MAX was a game changer.

I use OCW on my wife`s A8. Good as a drying aid, not bad as a stand-alone LSP, but needs redone quite often and isn`t even close to the same ballpark as FK1000P. Not really equal to 845/476S/M16 either, but like D156/UQW it`s certainly not bad for what it is.

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I use OCW on my wife`s A8. Good as a drying aid, not bad as a stand-alone LSP, but needs redone quite often and isn`t even close to the same ballpark as FK1000P. Not really equal to 845/476S/M16 either, but like D156/UQW it`s certainly not bad for what it is.

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Agree, but those sealants are top of the heap. OCW stands up well to the flavor of the day crap that keeps coming out and people trip over themselves to gloat about.

Dan- Heh heh...noting that I`ve used my share of Souveran, I guess I just no longer have much interest in LSPs that aren`t top-shelf with regard to durability and protection. Eh, different strokes and all that.

I use OCW after nearly every wash- it`s that easy to use. Occasionally, I`ll use MegUQW. OCW seems to last longer, but UQW gives the color slightly more pop.

I think a more realistic comparison is taking a high quality spray wax, applied every other week or when you wash your car. Compare that to a paste or liquid wax applied every 4 months, or so. In this case, I would take the frequently applied spray wax.

Dubert Chemical makes a spray sealant that they say will last 4 months. Ive used it and it can be used as a drying aid or a spray and wipe. Ive gotten a good 6 weeks and it still beads water , and that is with 2 car washes a week and thats because my car sits outside 24/7.

Ok but what about the thickness of the coating - VS abrasion? Surely a spray wax is going to leave a thinner barrier, than the tradition tin paste waxes? And since that barrier is thinner, you`re not getting the same protection.

And how about looks? Part of the reason you wax a car is good looks. A thicker coating would be able to yield that "deeper" look that so many people desire. If the coating is really thin well... probably not.

The question is about waxes. Sure a spray sealant will be better than most spray waxes. It wasn’t really questioned. I know it gets hazy with all the different stuff out there

With out a doubt there is not a spray wax that will beat an elite tin paste wax. I don’t think we are talking show car waxes here either where they last a few weeks

Cause heck if it just needs to be sold as a spray delivery I’ll pick cancoat from Gyeon as my winner.


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WOW all outstanding products mention in this thread and i`ve used them all and got great results with just about every one of them but i`d like to mention one more that i like alot as a drying aid or after i`ve dryed my car after a wash, it`s auqa wax. I still find this to really give my car that fresh waxed look.

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PRIMA HYDRO MAX was a game changer.

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Indeed !!!! Probably my favorite spray sealant. Super easy to use and such an amazing look. I am glad I have 2 bottles in reserve :)

I`m not convinced that a paste wax leaves behind more protection. Yes it may apply thicker. However, after you buff away all the carrier oils and by products. Is the protection film left behind any thicker? I`m not sold. So I have primarily switched to sprays. Except for FK 1000p. I still use this product for creation applications.

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I`m not convinced that a paste wax leaves behind more protection. Yes it may apply thicker. However, after you buffy away all the carrier oils and by products. Is the protection film left behind any thicker? I`m not sold. So I have primarily switched to sprays. Except for FK 1000p. I still use this product for creation applications.

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I agree on this. Work smarter not harder. I think with all the great available spray waxes currently out, a paste wax will not mean better protection.

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..And how about looks? Part of the reason you wax a car is good looks..

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Heh heh, maybe some people, but it`d have to be something pretty significant for me to care at all...and those cases are few and far between.

And yeah, that`s very different from how I viewed it years ago.

Although I have never tried a spray wax as a stand alone LSP, I cannot comment on durability/protection alone, however, I would think that it may not be as good as a "tin" LSP. I am partial to the BFWD spray wax when drying or in between full on LSP waxes/sealants just as a charger for the "tin" LSP due to it`s ability to recharge your base protectant and works very well in the sun without any "streaking". It`s easy on/easy off.

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I`m not convinced that a paste wax leaves behind more protection. Yes it may apply thicker. However, after you buff away all the carrier oils and by products. Is the protection film left behind any thicker? I`m not sold. So I have primarily switched to sprays. Except for FK 1000p. I still use this product for creation applications.

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Buff away... hmm.

I`m no pro detailer like most of you here, but I would assume that the coating left by a paste would have to be thicker if you just simply wiped it off with the appropriate microfiber cloth. In my mind, you wouldn`t want to buff anything away. You`d apply it as normal, and wipe off the haze, leaving the "finished product" to sit on top of the clear and do its job. Am I missing an important step here? If am I am not, then it would seem that a paste would have to by nature, leave a somewhat thicker barrier than a liquid. Obviously you`d never be able to discern this difference with the naked eye. But when it comes to all those small abrasions the car is getting hit with when its flying down the highway, thicker would have to be better. Or at least last longer as it would take longer to chip away.

I seriously doubt a spray product will out last, out shine or out protect Collinite #845 or #476. These are paste / liquid (respectively). I`m at 9 months and counting from my initial double application of #476. I`m surprised neither has been mentioned here so far.

I AM curios about the McKee’s 37 Trademark Extender Spray Wax...has any user of this also used Menzerna Endless Shine? How do they compare?

My current "topper" is the Menzerna; it does tend to streak but that is minimized if you use a microfiber with a longer nap than typically one would use. I love the slick, silky feel it leaves, its beading properties and its durability (for a spray).

If the McKees performs as well, but streaks less, I`d be interested in changing.

Any thoughts?






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I like Blackfire Carnauba Spray Wax. It is not as durable as many of the durable pastes but it is works longer than one may think.

Would anyone like to comment on this stuff?
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https://youtu.be/9encCfa4Yg8

Their customers think this is the best thing since the future second coming of Christ!

I respectfully disagree.

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Buff away... hmm.

I`m no pro detailer like most of you here, but I would assume that the coating left by a paste would have to be thicker if you just simply wiped it off with the appropriate microfiber cloth. In my mind, you wouldn`t want to buff anything away. You`d apply it as normal, and wipe off the haze, leaving the "finished product" to sit on top of the clear and do its job. Am I missing an important step here? If am I am not, then it would seem that a paste would have to by nature, leave a somewhat thicker barrier than a liquid. Obviously you`d never be able to discern this difference with the naked eye. But when it comes to all those small abrasions the car is getting hit with when its flying down the highway, thicker would have to be better. Or at least last longer as it would take longer to chip away.

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It depends on the product for sure. A normal paste wax bonds mostly to the surface imperfections, it is a physical bond, not chemical. So when you buff off, you are literally shearing away the top layer.

For those that don`t think a spray sealant can last, well, what about a spray coating? McKee`s 37 is like brain dead easy to apply, I`d say almost as easy as Opti-seal. Give it a few years and coatings will be as easy and goof proof to appy as something like OCW.

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Buff away... hmm.

. In my mind, you wouldn`t want to buff anything away. You`d apply it as normal, and wipe off the haze, leaving the "finished product" to sit on top of the clear and do its job.

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The haze is what I was referring to. Buff off / Wipe off tomayto / tomahto

I could be completely wrong. But I have gotten a good solid 2months out of some spray wax`s and some where gone in a week. The same could be said for some paste wax`s as well.

Dan mentioned spray coatings.

On my daily driver I have switched to a spray coating (Gyeon CanCoat). I`m 10+ months in and going strong. The lower panels are starting to show some loss. But 95% of the car is beading crazy beads. Gyeon claims greater than 6months (Durability: >6months / 10K km). I`m hoping for 12months. As far as 10K or 6.2miles I drive 73miles round trip and that hasn`t diminished the coating.

This thread didn`t go like I thought it would. There seems to be no clear cut answer as to whether or not sprays are inferior to the good paste waxes. I though for sure I`d get:

"Yeah right those gimmick sprays for lazy asses? Get your big boy britches on and get out there and so some work with a real wax!!"

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Spray Wax vs Paste Wax - Which Is Better for Your Car DetailXPerts Blog



Now you might ask: how different is spray wax vs paste wax or even liquid wax? In a nutshell, the difference lies in the ease of application from product container to car surface.


https://youtu.be/j-H3p4dVoXk

Work smarter not harder.

As I see it is if you only use wax pure carnuaba montan beewax it has no durability on it`s own. It`s for to get you a different and nice shine on your paint. You have to put in polymers and other chemicals in to the wax for get durability of it to Stacy on the paint. And these chemicals are the thing that can get your paint a little bit of protection to wash marrings etc. Spraywaxes is made for to top and extend the basecoat layer. Then the outcome of that is it`s working on wet surfeces so we found out that it`s works great to get some lubrication when drying. So compare paste wax to spraywax is`nt fair match. They would be compared to sealants and coatings instead IMO för the durability of them. Paste wax spraywax sealants and coatings are all different products that have their place on their own. It`s up to you to decide wich way to go with to protect your paint. Would it come out a high caulity carnuaba wax that lasted 2 years and is as easy to apply as a spraywax. That would be the end of paste waxes or would it. People like different looks and ceramic coatings has their glass reflective look and waxes has their wormth and glowing look. Then we can chose what we want. Chemicly it`s so far hard to get high % of wax to blend in to get longevity to it. A question I wonder about how would a spraywax with 2 months of longevity applyied 6 times a year be any difference in wash marring and daily drivers indused scratchings hold up to a paste wax as 476s applyied 1 time or 2 times. So you can see the difference in the protection of them.

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A question I wonder about how would a spraywax with 2 months of longevity applyied 6 times a year be any difference in wash marring and daily drivers indused scratchings hold up to a paste wax as 476s applyied 1 time or 2 times. So you can see the difference in the protection of them.

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I find no difference in wash-related marring between OCW and FK1000P, which I`d think is a pretty decent comparison between the two types of products.

BUT..that`s with *MY* wash technique, which regulars here know is awfully extreme. AND, the A8 doesn`t get all *that* awful between washes these days.

IMO one significant factor is how readily a LSP sheds contamination. The FK1000P, like (relatively fresh) Collinite, sheds dirt quite readily IME, so there`s little temptation to apply pressure while washing and less chance of residual dirt causing marring later (during drying, if you brush against the car, etc.). The OCW sheds contamination OK, but it`s not a strikingly obvious high-point like with the FK/Collinite.

As far as actual marring resistance, the only (conventional) LSP I`ve ever used that provided that is *HEAVILY* layered KSG, which I continue to use on glossy exterior plastics for just that reason. And the additional (relative) resistance is pretty minimal and would be easily overcome by somebody, say...washing by merely pressing a soapy wash mitt, worn as a glove, against a dirty surface and moving it a few inches under pressure.

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