Products with Fillers or Masking Capablities?

**Merlin** · 01-11-2012, 05:06 PM

I love this quote:

Originally Posted by mjlinane

"Grant me the power tools to correct the fixable, the fillers to cover the hopeless and the wisdom the know the difference."

**mjlinane** · 01-11-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Merlin

I love this quote:

Thanks - I was proud of it. Revised to be closer to the original - "Grant me the power tools to correct what I can, the fillers to cover what I can`t, and the wisdom to know the difference."

**Beemerboy** · 01-11-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by NoleFan

What pads and speed is everyone using for these products?

Finish pad on medium speed

**rzatch** · 01-11-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by CT3

Small question, how many washes would these fillers last through and do they effect the bonding features of the lsp going down on top of it.

Glazes will not last long, they were primarily a body shop product and most are water soluble to use on fresh paint. They were desiged to fill swirls and have no real durability and will reduce the life of a wax or sealant.

**rzatch** · 01-11-2012, 05:41 PM

Depending on what you are topping the glaze with you may in fact be cleaning off the glaze you just put on. Or the chemical make up of the wax may in fact just blend with the glaze weaking both as far as durability or hiding effect.

**Beemerboy** · 01-11-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by rzatch

Depending on what you are topping the glaze with you may in fact be cleaning off the glaze you just put on. Or the chemical make up of the wax may in fact just blend with the glaze weaking both as far as durability or hiding effect.

I haven`t seen this as a factor. I`ve done many cars with glazes and sealant and the same number with just sealant. I can tell the difference in the finish!

**AutoHealer** · 01-11-2012, 06:21 PM

The only glaze that I have ever used is Prima Amigo, and it is a wonderful product in my opinion. It is a paint cleaner, polish and glaze all in one, and you can go right to your LSP after application without durability issues that you get when using some glazes.

**umi000** · 01-11-2012, 07:43 PM

Bilt Hamber`s Auto-Balm has a (well-earned) reputation as one of the best filling products around - and since it is an actual LSP (not just a glaze), it does last quite a while. Check out this post over at Detailing World - should be easy enough to tell which side is which

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**CT3** · 01-11-2012, 07:52 PM

^I have to admit, that looks pretty good just for some fillers. Looking at some of the other pics in that thread, you can see in some sun shots that it is just masking the damage though. For certain vehicles, the fillers look like they have a place in this world.

**tropicsteve** · 01-11-2012, 08:06 PM

i`ve used blackfire gloss enhancing polish many times and really like it. i usually use blackfire wet diamond all finish paint protection over with no problems. recently used the bfgep with a top coat of DP Poli-Coat with no problem also. bfgep has not cut to it, but cleans and fills very well.

**rzatch** · 01-11-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Beemerboy

I haven`t seen this as a factor. I`ve done many cars with glazes and sealant and the same number with just sealant. I can tell the difference in the finish!

I`m sure you can tell a difference the sealant alone either doesn`t have or doesn`t have as much filler in it. What i was referring to is if you were to go over the glaze with a wax containing a cleaner. And some waxes with high petroleum content can blend with the glaze.

**Rocket** · 01-11-2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by umi000

Bilt Hamber`s Auto-Balm has a (well-earned) reputation as one of the best filling products around - and since it is an actual LSP (not just a glaze), it does last quite a while. Check out this post over at Detailing World - should be easy enough to tell which side is which

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I have to say that is pretty impressive. It filled in a lot more than I thought a glaze could.

I think some miss the point of glaze. If you have a customer who wants a "wash & wax" job and no correction you could help make the finished result look much better than just using some wax or sealant. The other spot where it would be great is when you get a car in where a hack detailer has left a mess and burned through spots in the clear. It`s hard to say what`s left and I wouldn`t feel comfortable doing any heavy correction. Maybe only light correction would be safe or maybe no correction at all.

**rzatch** · 01-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Very true Rocket sometimes you have to error on the side of caution. As I said before they do have thier place.

**Thomas Dekany** · 01-12-2012, 05:35 AM

I have long ago stopped recommending glazes to fill.

Menzerna or Meg`s D300 will do a much better job.

**mjlinane** · 01-12-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by tdekany

I have long ago stopped recommending glazes to fill.

Menzerna or Meg`s D300 will do a much better job.

Yes, if you have enough paint left or there are only swirls, you can correct and those are great polishes/compounds for doing it. But there are times....