Zymol...seriously...good wax or outdoor air freshener?

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I have read too much propoganda on this stuff and have decided to ask all of you about it. Is it a better outdoor air freshener than a wax?



Just to let you know, I have #16 and Pinnacle Souveran in my arsenal, but am still curious as to how a wax can cost so much when the real experts (all of the Autopians) say that Megs and Pinnacle are where its at.



I don't have the credit card out and one hand on the cell phone, so you don't need to talk me down from a $1500 dollar ledge! I am just curious if anyone has used the stuff. (I have read the reviews here and the Mayor himself says its not that good)



P.S. I am talking about import Zymol, not the kind made in Chicago and sold in Target and Wal-Mart.
 
Do a search and a bit of reading - this topic is a "dead horse" if ever there was one.

The arguments for and against can get pretty spirited. I have used it and personally think its over-priced but others here swear by it. Might be a case of getting a sampler pack (which I believe is reasonably cheap) and trying it for yourself.
 
Never tried it myself but I don't recall anyone arguing that Zymol doesn't make good traditional, natural waxes. The "spirited discussions" tend to be about cost and value issues.





PC.





P.S. Zymol isn't imported; Zymol Enterprises, Inc. is based in Connecticut
 
I have used Destiny and felt it was very good. Is it better than Meguiars or PS that is a decision you have to make. You do not have to buy the $1500 wax as you state. Go to www.zymol.com and see the different waxes and estate glazes they sell. I currently use different products from from a few different companies including Zymol. You will not be disaapointed in the results if you try Zymol.
 
Zymol is a good quality wax, like DavidB I used it for about ten years (if I remember rightly DavidB used it for eight) the point here is that better waxes evolve (just like polymers) and we try/use these products.



IMO Souveran is a 'better' wax than Zymol, but then beauty is in the eye...



Zymol was marketed, very sucsessfully to concors entrants (and the detailers that people like Ralph Lauren use to detail his $1M vehicles)As for price, what's a $1,500 wax taht has 'life time refills' to a man who (rarely) drives but owns vehicles worth millions?

JonM
 
To me the 1500 dollar wax was a awesome strategy for Zymol. I have never personally used it, but I feel as if a detailer (who had a huge clientel) this wax would be perfect for them. Sure they would have to fork out the 1500 dollars, but if they were to use it exclusively I believe it would be a good marketing gimmeck for them. They would be able to tell their clients the wax used on their cars is the most expensive in the industry basically. They would also never have to worry about purchasing more wax and possibly eventually pay off that 1500 investment.
 
I remember someone saying there are restrictions on the number of refills Zymol will provide in a given time period. Anyone know if this is true?
 
TW85 HHI said:
I remember someone saying there are restrictions on the number of refills Zymol will provide in a given time period. Anyone know if this is true?
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Probably so. But, even assuming that is the case, if you are one who is younger (say, in your 20's) and you enjoy detailing your vehicle to the point that you wax on the order of every two weeks....and assuming you are relatively certain that this behaviour isn't likely to change down the road....then it might just still be a good deal for you. Over the course of your lifetime, you're likely to use more than $1500 worth of wax. Might as well use a great wax that you'll never again need to pay for. Granted, it is a bit of a gamble on the longevity of Zymol as a going concern...but they have lasted this long and are still doing quite well.



I've not tried any of the 'Lifetime Refill' waxes from Zymol. So, I have no opinion on them. However, I do have 15 years (give or take) experience with some of their more realistic waxes.



I have used their Titanium wax for many years and have yet to find any carnauba which will last as long and be as impervious to sap and acid rain (probably the reason they sell it as an SUV wax). The pic below is my five-year-old VehiCROSS with hand-applied Titanium wax.



I have also used the Concours and have been pretty happy with the results. I do have a can of the Creame and find it to be adequate...but nothing to rave about. Worth the money...but not more than the money.



....BH



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It is baffling sometimes how this topic comes up and gets blown out of proportion.



Opinions mean nothing without you actually trying the product for yourself. You will only be able to answer that question by buying a Zymol product, trying it out yourself, and physically evaluating its results against another leading, similarly priced and matched product.



IMO Zymol makes Excellent products. Their high end waxes are ridiculously priced, yet as far as from what I've seen and experienced, it will be very difficult to surpass the waxed results that a Zymol can produce if you are working with properly prepped paint and (read this) if Zymol is applied correctly.



Edit: Zymol markets a wide variety of products to fit many budgets. You do not have to spend thousands of dollars to get a good result from a Zymol product. On average, however, their products tend to be relatively expensive as compared with other products. Let the buyer beware, and always use good judgement in picking and evaluating any detailing product.
 
Read the Gur Reports Wax Test. It'll provide you with some fodder as you ponder the $1500.00 Zymol. All i can say is.......If you've got Souveran in your arsenal, you're good to go! As far as Carnauba waxes go........The P21S & the Souveran are my favorites!
 
Zymol Vintage (the $1500 wax) smells like crayons. I much prefer Souveran's fruit cocktail smell to that. For that reason I don't use Vintage unless I am jonesing for the fabulous smell of Crayola. ;) It does look good, but durabilty is minimal and I prefer my much much lower cost waxes. I still bust out the Vintage for special occasions when someone wants to say that they have a $1500 wax on their car. :D
 
I shelled out for the Souveran Signature, Trade Secret, P21S, etc. Nice toppers I did discover Zymol and the astronomical prices they command. More power to them ! I wonder what people who shell this kind of money out will do when they discover they are buying product (s) which melt away on a really hot day? I guess its all in the imagination....
 
mochamanz said:
I shelled out for the Souveran Signature, Trade Secret, P21S, etc. Nice toppers I did discover Zymol and the astronomical prices they command. More power to them ! I wonder what people who shell this kind of money out will do when they discover they are buying product (s) which melt away on a really hot day? I guess its all in the imagination....
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It does not melt away. I've applied my Zymol on a 95 degree day and have gotten lasting results.



I have found that the durability isn't really an issue either, as I've found that it will last as long as some of the other comparable waxes.



The Guru report is a great source of information. Keep in mind, that it is a report based on their observing panel's opinion, and it doesn't replace an actual trial and error session that should be done by curious buyers. I have tried the two top wax/synthetic products that were rated higher than my Zymol product, as well as receiving the best rating of that publication, and IMO those products did not approach the finished results of my Zymol brand. Of course, my results relied heavily on proper application techniques, and the receiving paint surface(s).
 
I hope I didnt offend anybody. Carnauba wax will melt in a container left in full sunlight for a couple or three hours. The melting point of wax is less than the temperature of a car, dark or light, that is parked in direct sunlight, especially when the ambient temperature is high. I guess if a car is not subjected to exteme temperature, carnauba is a fine choice. But the fact is that wax doesnt last as long in a really hot climate. No matter what name brand is on the container.
 
lbls1 said:
Opinions mean nothing without you actually trying the product for yourself. You will only be able to answer that question by buying a Zymol product, trying it out yourself, and physically evaluating its results against another leading, similarly priced and matched product.
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Hear! Hear!







lbls1 said:
I have found that the durability isn't really an issue either, as I've found that it will last as long as some of the other comparable waxes.
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I have been trying Souveran of late. I can say without eqivocation that Titanium (the Zymol I have the most experience with) ....prepped properly and applied properly....lasts significantly longer than Souveran. I could comfortably go eight weeks between waxings if I felt the need....as long as one QD's after washing during the interim.



Don't misunderstand, I make no attempt to throw rocks at Souveran. Indeed, I rather like souveran. It gives a very nice finish. And it is easier to apply than Titanium (most of the other Zymol's are also easier to apply, BTW). It just doesn't last as long as I would like to see in a wax costing north of $50 a can. Even with regular QD, I'd like to see better.









.....BH
 
mochamanz said:
I hope I didnt offend anybody. Carnauba wax will melt in a container left in full sunlight for a couple or three hours. The melting point of wax is less than the temperature of a car, dark or light, that is parked in direct sunlight, especially when the ambient temperature is high. I guess if a car is not subjected to exteme temperature, carnauba is a fine choice. But the fact is that wax doesnt last as long in a really hot climate. No matter what name brand is on the container.
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Nah don't worry about it. I tend to get animated about this subject anysways. When I put my stuff on at 95d or on hot days, it did melt to the consistency that I'd describe as a bit softer than toothpaste. It did apply and buff out to a resolute though, and it did last as I saw it. I don't really call a 95 degree day as extreme, unless your car has to survive a series of 95 degree days without cover or adequate wax replenishment.
 
The Zymol product I tried wasnt actually an authentic Zymol from what I understand, The OTC product labeled Zymol is actually just a licensed name... made by another company and sold as a Zymol product. At least that is what has been stated on the boards. And it was a liquid too. I do have several "pure" carnauba products such as Souveran, P21S, Trade secret.... and other products,some OTC such as Mothers.I love the look, but In really hot weather, I doubt the durabiity.:nixweiss
 
I've used Zymol before and you can't deny that it gives good results. What led me away from it though was not being able to justify the high cost in replacing the everyday products. Clear and HD-Cleanse in the UK are £35 ($63) for 500ml, you then have to add on top of that the price of a glaze. I found Clear to be no better than Megs GC wash (although it smells nicer) and the HD-Cleasne was a total pig to use (and hides more tahn removes swirls). I also find it ridiculous applying a carnauba with your fingers!



I still have my pot of Z3 glaze on the shelf, but unfortunately that's where it's likely to remain as I now have Souveran, #16 and CMW in my arsenal.



At the end of the day you pay your money and take your choice. I don't think it's right that Zymol gets a bashing every time it gets mentioned, but on the other hand it annoys me that some people (none on here that I've found so far!) try to make it out to be something so much more superior than everything else on the market when it isn't.



I just like to sit back and watch the banter unfold:D



Ben
 
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