Zaino ZAIO use question

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JHZR2

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Hello,



I have two cars that are treated with Zaino products. Started with the ZPC and ZAIO to get a good basic surface (after a dawn wash, of course), and then applied multiple coats of Z2Pro and/or Z5Pro. I generally give a coat of ZCS after a wash.



My question is, when and why would I want to reapply ZAIO and/or ZPC? Any instructions arent particularly clear.



Should a renewal of everything (including dawn wash?) be done yearly? Should I revert back at least to ZAIO yearly? Or can I just keep with the ZCS? Also, when does it make sense to go back and reapply the Z2/Z5 versus just keeping up with ZCS?



I assume that after something like a clay bar, I should at least apply the Z2/Z5 if not the whole process to the panel?



Would it be any different for the Klasse versions?



Thanks!
 
ZAIO anytime you clay to get rid of any micromarring. So probably 1-3 times per year based on parking environment.
 
Dan said:
ZAIO anytime you clay to get rid of any micromarring. So probably 1-3 times per year based on parking environment.
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Thanks so much for the super fast reply.



So ZAIO would only be after I clay, after the initial applications of everything as I described?



After claying and doing ZAIO, wouldnt I want to topcoat with Z2/Z5 again so it is consistent with the other panels (assuming I didnt clay everything)?



Thanks so much!
 
After you clay or if you need to use it otherwise (marring/following zpc etc) . Don't get too hung up on the layering step business. ZAIO actually looks great on its own but you can top with Z2 whenever. The only real issues are if you go to another product that has an oil/wax base.
 
I agree with what Dan said. I use AIO as a maintenance sealer throughout the year when touch ups are needed. It's quick and easy. Z2 is my base. Once yearly I will add to that.
 
Brad B. said:
I agree with what Dan said. I use AIO as a maintenance sealer throughout the year when touch ups are needed. It's quick and easy. Z2 is my base. Once yearly I will add to that.
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Sorry to be dense, but why would you use ZAIO as a maintenance sealer versus more Z2 or ZCS?



Thanks so much for the information!
 
JHZR2 said:
Sorry to be dense, but why would you use ZAIO as a maintenance sealer versus more Z2 or ZCS?



Thanks so much for the information!
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By maintenance I mean touch ups or fixes as they happen. AIO has cleaners/abrasives to take care of any damage thru daily use such water spots or mars or tar, etc. I will do a quick polish and wipe with AIO for all this as needed.
 
Dan said:
ZAIO anytime you clay to get rid of any micromarring. So probably 1-3 times per year based on parking environment.
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Zaio actually put micro marring in my paint had to use Menz 85rd to remove marring.
 
Ikotsios:



Very surprised that Z-AIO causes marring. I use it 2 times per year on my Honda Milano Red

single stage super-soft paint with no hazing/marring. My technique is to final finish with

85RD (LC black pad), prep with Z-AIO/ZFX (LC red pad) then seal with Z-3/ZFX

(LC red or gold pad).



What year/car/color do you have and what machine/pad are you using?
 
jmsc said:
Ikotsios:



Very surprised that Z-AIO causes marring. I use it 2 times per year on my Honda Milano Red

single stage super-soft paint with no hazing/marring. My technique is to final finish with

85RD (LC black pad), prep with Z-AIO/ZFX (LC red pad) then seal with Z-3/ZFX

(LC red or gold pad).



What year/car/color do you have and what machine/pad are you using?
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Search his ID, he posted in another thread. I made some recommendations about him isolating ZAIO vs his pad and application method to rule it out, I don't think he ever followed up.



I've used ZAIO quite a bit, I'm down to 1/2 a bottle which for me is amazing as the stuff goes so far. I think I use 1/2oz per car, no marring when used with a white pad., in fact it removes marring.
 
JHZR2 said:
Would it be any different for the Klasse versions?
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Can't really help with Zaino advice except to say that I wouldn't ZAIO/ZPC/etc. unless I had a good reason to do so. I'd think that if you *do* have a good reason you'd know it, and wouldn't have to ask ;) IF you have to ask, I suspect there's no compelling reason to do stuff like that, just reapply the Z2/Z5.



I *can* comment on the Klasse twins though:



The KAIO is functionally nonabrasive, though it can *sometimes* be just abrasive enough to dull the finish left by a really good finishing polish (e.g., PO85rd). Generally not a problem. Just don't expect it to do *any* correction.



I generally get numerous layers of KSG on a vehicle and then just lightly clay with something gentle like Sonus SFX (previously known as "Sonus Green") and then reapply the KSG.



I don't redo the KAIO unless a) I've had to repolish to remove marring or b) I have reason to think the paint needs more thorough cleaning than I get from the clay. I hardly ever "start over", at least not more than once every other year or so...not until I spot some marring I can't live with and decide to do correction.



And yeah, I've reapplied KSG without even claying first.



FWIW, the above applies to how I use FK1000P too, and, well, most other LSPs.
 
Do a a side panel with 85rd( door,fender, quarter panel) then split panel in half with blue tape and do half with zaio then pull car in the sunlight and compare very closely and tell me what you see. Do all this with a PC and black pad.
 
I would never see anything in my garage its in direct sunlight on all the side panels of the car is when I noticed it.
 
lkotsios said:
May be I just got to spoiled with the finish of 85rd, and its outstanding finishing abilities.
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You likely have. Do you assume the abrasives in ZAIO would be superior? I've stated frequently that there are only a handful of LSPs (nevermind AIOs)that actually look better than paint that has been corrected properly and finished with 85rd. Not having a finish that is as good as 85rd is completely different than micromarring. Stating that ZAIO causes marring is unfair, and doesn't exactly make you sound credible. Lastly, ZAIO has a carnauba like look to it, so it can cloud certain finishes where Z2 would not.
 
lkotsios said:
I would never see anything in my garage its in direct sunlight on all the side panels of the car is when I noticed it.
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Makes me think you need better inspection lighting :think: Heh heh, yeah...easy for me to spend your money, huh?!?



I remember this from your previous posts, and it still has me :confused: I would bet anything that your 'vette's paint is harder than that on my Crown Vic, which ZAIO absolutely doesn't mess up. No, the ZAIO doesn't finish out as well as some finishing polishes, but it sure doesn't leave any "issues" .
 
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ZAIO finishes down nicely for me, even on dark colors.
 
Accumulator said:
Makes me think you need better inspection lighting :think: Heh heh, yeah...easy for me to spend your money, huh?!?



I remember this from your previous posts, and it still has me :confused: I would bet anything that your 'vette's paint is harder than that on my Crown Vic, which ZAIO absolutely doesn't mess up. No, the ZAIO doesn't finish out as well as some finishing polishes, but it sure doesn't leave any "issues" .
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I do not know if my clear is soft or hard I have nothing to compare it to. My experience is only on my corvette that I have been detailing for 16 yrs. Every body says corvettes have a hard clear coat, is it true I don't know. What I do know is I am an expert at detailing 93 corvettes that are red.
 
lkotsios said:
I do not know if my clear is soft or hard I have nothing to compare it to. My experience is only on my corvette that I have been detailing for 16 yrs. Every body says corvettes have a hard clear coat, is it true I don't know. What I do know is I am an expert at detailing 93 corvettes that are red.
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Whereas I've never done a 'vette of that vintage at all, so I don't know *what* category it'd fall into :nixweiss



Sounds to me like you oughta stick with the PO85rd. Hard to argue with success, huh?



Even though some of us like the ZAIO, there are plenty of products that just don't work for everybody/every car, I'm that way about a whole lot of popular products!
 
I have been looking for an all in one that is less abrasive than 85rd is there one, even the menzerna finishing glaze put in micro marring and that is rated .5 on menzernas cut scale vs. 1 for 85rd I don't get it.
 
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