Zaino Z7, safe to use during curing?

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What is everyone's take on using Zaino Z7 on a repainted are that is still in the curing process? I have been using Meguiars Deep Crystal wash which absolutely sucks, no lubricity or thick suds at all. Last time I wash I said screw it and washed the rest of it with Z7, and realized how much better it was.



I spoke with Sal on this, and he said it would be fine with no problems at all. He also the same person that said that I could also use something like Z5 if I wanted to, at that paint curing is just BS and that everything should be ok after 3 days at the most.:hm So I don't know how credible his fist statement actually his.
 
I dunno, I always wait at least 90 days before I apply a wax or sealer to fresh paint, but I have a hard time thinking that Z-7 would leave behind enough to hinder the paint from curing.



Interesting about his comment that paint curing is just BS and that everything should be ok after 3 days at the most. Kind of makes me wonder if he based his previous comments that Z-2/5 was fresh paint safe on the fact that it actually allowed it to outgas (cure), or because he thought the whole curing process was BS.



EDIT: FYI, the following link has listed recommended cure times before waxing of some major paint manufacturers:



Paint Cure Time Not Necessary - Page 2 - Autopia.org



As long as I can smell outgassing in my garage I know the paint hasn't fully cured yet..... and that goes on for more than just a couple of weeks. It's not that the paint will fail or fall off, it just won't cure as hard as it normally would, and that's a chance I prefer not to take.
 
I have done lots of new repaints from laquer, enamel, new catylized clears. On older paint systems you always want to be careful with anything. Water can actually do more damage in the sun than anything.



On newer catylist clears, they all cure within 24 hours. I have wetsanded, washed, zainoed a bunch of cars between 24 to 48 hours with no issues at all. The only products I would stay away from are store brands like Turlte wax, Black magic, Megs, etc.... It's the poor grade silicones in them that actually do the damage. They used to latch into the old paints and make them react giving them chaulking and glazing effects.



I always use this as a rule of thumb: If you can smell the new paint on the car while it is outside, then be careful.



Another rule: If a wax/sealant product can stain trim, then I will not use it on new paint.
 
rydawg said:
I have done lots of new repaints from laquer, enamel, new catylized clears. On older paint systems you always want to be careful with anything. Water can actually do more damage in the sun than anything.



On newer catylist clears, they all cure within 24 hours. I have wetsanded, washed, zainoed a bunch of cars between 24 to 48 hours with no issues at all. The only products I would stay away from are store brands like Turlte wax, Black magic, Megs, etc.... It's the poor grade silicones in them that actually do the damage. They used to latch into the old paints and make them react giving them chaulking and glazing effects.



I always use this as a rule of thumb: If you can smell the new paint on the car while it is outside, then be careful.



Another rule: If a wax/sealant product can stain trim, then I will not use it on new paint.
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I have done the same and have had NO issues at all. :up
 
wannafbody said:
Wasn't Sal a painter in a former life? Maybe he'd know a thing or two about paint:think:
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When he says these people don't have a clue what they are talking about. I wonder why he is out of the painting business:rofl



mirrorfinishman said:
Looks like the professionals at the major paint manufacturers have a completely different view when it comes to paint cure times before waxing.



1- AKZO NOBEL INC [ 1-800-618-1010 ]

Sikkens Car Refinishes standard is to wait 30 days after repainting before you can apply wax or silicone. Their standard of waiting 30 days includes the AKZO NOBEL Sikkens, Lesonal and Utech automotive paint lines.



2- Sherwin-Williams. [email protected]

Sherwin-Williams standard is to wait 90 days after repainting before you can apply wax or silicone.

Their standard of waiting 90 days includes all of their automotive paint lines.



3- Dupont Corp., Lionville, PA.

Dupont standard is to wait 90 days if the vehicle is out in the elements and to wait 120 days if it is kept in a garage most of the time. Dupont standard of waiting 90 to 120 days includes all of their automotive paint lines.



4- BASF automotive paints. email: [email protected]

BASF standard is to wait four to six months before waxing.



Below is a copy of a email I recieved from Mr. Tony Lane, Supervisor of the Technical Service Lab at BASF automotive paints.



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Frank,



You don't say but I'm going to assume that you have had your car painted with a two component urethane system. These systems offer a high level of protection and a great deal of shine. While they are well cured by the time the shop calls you to pick up your car, in fact, it will take several months for the curing process to be complete. (Remember that your hearing this from a lab guy and we only deal in the real world when we absolutely have to.) I would give four to six months before waxing. If you're like me, that won't be an easy task to wait that long.



I hope that this is of some help to you.



Tony Lane

Supervisor of the Technical Service Lab BASF
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Eliot Ness said:
I dunno, I always wait at least 90 days before I apply a wax or sealer to fresh paint, but I have a hard time thinking that Z-7 would leave behind enough to hinder the paint from curing.



Interesting about his comment that paint curing is just BS and that everything should be ok after 3 days at the most. Kind of makes me wonder if he based his previous comments that Z-2/5 was fresh paint safe on the fact that it actually allowed it to outgas (cure), or because he thought the whole curing process was BS.



EDIT: FYI, the following link has listed recommended cure times before waxing of some major paint manufacturers:



Paint Cure Time Not Necessary - Page 2 - Autopia.org



As long as I can smell outgassing in my garage I know the paint hasn't fully cured yet..... and that goes on for more than just a couple of weeks. It's not that the paint will fail or fall off, it just won't cure as hard as it normally would, and that's a chance I prefer not to take.
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Exactly. And it's not going to hurt anything to not have an LSP on it for 3-4 months.
 
The Z7 wash should be perfectly fine.



Personally, I'd wait the amount of time before waxing that the body shop recommends since they can deny your warranty if you wax earlier than they say to.
 
I don't plan on waxing, sealing, etc. at all during curing. I just want to use a carwash that works good for me. Since the Z7 bottle says that contains the same polish and protectant and most of the Zaino line, I did not know if the small amount from the wash coming in contact could disrupt the curing.
 
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