Wolf's Decon Gel Problem

dc52nv

dc52nv

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I purchased this a couple of months ago but was waiting for the temps to cool down a bit before I used it. I finally used it this past weekend and was so excited as my car needed a good cleaning. I started by washing my car using 2BM with CG CW+G. I then grabbed my decon gel and started spraying all over the body panels. I then stood back and waited for the color change. I have a white car so it was about to get colorful. A minute passes and nothing. Another minute, still nothing. The bottle said to let it sit for 5 minutes so I did. All this was done in the shade and it was a beautiful 71F out. After 5 minutes I didn't see a color show I was expecting. I took a closer look at barely noticed some color change on my rear bumper. Confused, I grab the hose and rinse the product off. I was thinking that maybe my car wasn't as contaminated as I thought. I have never decontaminated it before and I've had it for 7 years. I've only clayed it twice before with the last clay session being about a year ago. Remembering I had a small sample bottle of Iron-X in my aersonal that I've never used, I spray my trunk and within a minute noticed a big color change. I ended up using it on the entire car and worked as advertised. The smell was horrible but it got the job done.

Did I get a bad batch of decon gel? I've heard good reviews of this product so I'm confused on why it didn't work for me. Should I have perhaps let it sit longer?

Needless to say, I continued my detail session and clayed using the Nanoskin sponge (huge time saver) and finished it off with PB PwS. My car looks great but was disappointed at my first Wolf's product purchase.
 
dc52nv said:
I purchased this a couple of months ago but was waiting for the temps to cool down a bit before I used it. I finally used it this past weekend and was so excited as my car needed a good cleaning. I started by washing my car using 2BM with CG CW+G. I then grabbed my decon gel and started spraying all over the body panels. I then stood back and waited for the color change. I have a white car so it was about to get colorful. A minute passes and nothing. Another minute, still nothing. The bottle said to let it sit for 5 minutes so I did. All this was done in the shade and it was a beautiful 71F out. After 5 minutes I didn't see a color show I was expecting. I took a closer look at barely noticed some color change on my rear bumper. Confused, I grab the hose and rinse the product off. I was thinking that maybe my car wasn't as contaminated as I thought. I have never decontaminated it before and I've had it for 7 years. I've only clayed it twice before with the last clay session being about a year ago. Remembering I had a small sample bottle of Iron-X in my aersonal that I've never used, I spray my trunk and within a minute noticed a big color change. I ended up using it on the entire car and worked as advertised. The smell was horrible but it got the job done.

Did I get a bad batch of decon gel? I've heard good reviews of this product so I'm confused on why it didn't work for me. Should I have perhaps let it sit longer?

Needless to say, I continued my detail session and clayed using the Nanoskin sponge (huge time saver) and finished it off with PB PwS. My car looks great but was disappointed at my first Wolf's product purchase.
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Hi there!

First of all, thanks for the honest feedback :)! So with this product and with Iron-X we've done some really extensive tests over the years. Ours and many others' tests have concluded that yes, Iron-X does react faster than Deironizer, but this doesn't mean that it works better. Deironizer is a gel and much thicker than Iron-X, so naturally it reacts slower. Also, being that Iron-X is much thinner, it runs... the color changing is merely an indicator that it's working, so when you see lines of purple goop running down the car it's pretty impressive, but keep in mind that it simply started on one spot and ran down. And being that it's more watery, the purple dye will also run into "unused" product and make it seem that it's just gushing out "purple blood". If the product is thick, like ours is, it won't run as much and won't bleed into unused product and this gives the appearance that it's not working as well. It's sort of like putting a drop of ink in water... it doesn't stay in that one spot, it spreads itself throughout the volume of water.

Sure when you sprayed IX on it after DI, there was a color change, no doubt, but if you spray IX on it again, I'd be willing to bet that it will do another color change. Neither one of these products will get rid of everything in the first hit, especially if the car's 7 years old and has never been decontaminated. In the 3 years we've been in business, I don't recall a "bad batch" of anything ever going out, so I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Try and let it sit for a bit longer or better yet, try it on your wheels to have a second test. If a bad batch is the case, I'll be more than happy to replace it! Again, don't let the "bleeding" trick you into thinking it's working better, it's just "runny ink" ;)!

Jesse
 
Again, don't let the "bleeding" trick you into thinking it's working better, it's just "runny ink" ;)!
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Thank you for debunking that claim. Many guys were head over heels at the "bleeding trick".

So all that purple goo isn't iron? :inspector:
 
The Wolfman said:
Hi there!

First of all, thanks for the honest feedback :)! So with this product and with Iron-X we've done some really extensive tests over the years. Ours and many others' tests have concluded that yes, Iron-X does react faster than Deironizer, but this doesn't mean that it works better. Deironizer is a gel and much thicker than Iron-X, so naturally it reacts slower. Also, being that Iron-X is much thinner, it runs... the color changing is merely an indicator that it's working, so when you see lines of purple goop running down the car it's pretty impressive, but keep in mind that it simply started on one spot and ran down. And being that it's more watery, the purple dye will also run into "unused" product and make it seem that it's just gushing out "purple blood". If the product is thick, like ours is, it won't run as much and won't bleed into unused product and this gives the appearance that it's not working as well. It's sort of like putting a drop of ink in water... it doesn't stay in that one spot, it spreads itself throughout the volume of water.

Sure when you sprayed IX on it after DI, there was a color change, no doubt, but if you spray IX on it again, I'd be willing to bet that it will do another color change. Neither one of these products will get rid of everything in the first hit, especially if the car's 7 years old and has never been decontaminated. In the 3 years we've been in business, I don't recall a "bad batch" of anything ever going out, so I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Try and let it sit for a bit longer or better yet, try it on your wheels to have a second test. If a bad batch is the case, I'll be more than happy to replace it! Again, don't let the "bleeding" trick you into thinking it's working better, it's just "runny ink" ;)!

Jesse
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Thanks for the post Jesse!:yourrock
 
Jesse, thank you so much for that. I am still a noob at this detailing stuff so your insight helped me out tons on this subject. IX is definitely runny which I didn't like but to the eyes of this noob it was bleeding so it was doing the job. I will let it sit longer next time and will also try it on my wheels.
 
One more question, Jesse. Do I have to wait for it to change color before rinsing off? I was just wondering if it removed any iron when I used it since it really didn't change color. No doubt I will let it sit longer next time but was wondering if I let it sit until it changes color then wash off.
 
dc52nv said:
One more question, Jesse. Do I have to wait for it to change color before rinsing off? I was just wondering if it removed any iron when I used it since it really didn't change color. No doubt I will let it sit longer next time but was wondering if I let it sit until it changes color then wash off.
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You can let it sit on the paint as long as you want, it won't hurt a thing :bigups Yes you should wait for it to change color and again, just because it isn't "bleeding" like IX, doesn't mean it's not working. Take a closer look at it next time and you'll see that it is in fact "bleeding" but just in the spots where there's iron deposits ;). It does bleed though and it is quite a sight when there's a lot of contamination on the car... this is back some time ago with the first version of Deironizer :)

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Thanks for your reply. I will be doing my wife's car next and will keep a close eye on it. :inspector:
 
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