wolfgang concours trio- need advice

[funyfarm]

Wolfgang Concours Series Trio 1- Your Choice!



any suggestions? advice?



i was looking into (2) detail spritz and (1) sealant spritz...$40 for three seems still high but im paying $8 otc and not satisfied with all the dust the zymol im using attracts



im still using the cleaner wax ( zymol) and am really just looking for some higher quality detail sprays and after reading about the sealant spritz i think i could benefit from that as well.



im getting tired of having to dust my car off almost every morning with my california car duster ( it cant be that great on the paint)

 

[Accumulator]

MeanGreenClean- I know others like them, but I wouldn't touch my vehicles with a CCD if you paid me (tried it, very carefully...looked fine in some areas until I used magnification and saw what was really happening). I myself would simply let the car get dusty/dirty/etc. and wash it when it really needs it. As I always say, "Life is not a car show". But since this is Autopia, well....OK...



Those products are a pricey, "boutique" way to go. Not knocking that, I sometimes use such stuff too. But I dunno...if you're even *thinking* "gee that's pricey" then I wouldn't spend the money.



The Sealant Spritz is for use after washes, to "boost" your LSP. Eh, I have a few on the shelf but I hardly ever use 'em.



The QD is, *IMO* just a pricey alternative to cheaper stuff that'll almost certainly work as well. That's not to say that you might not prefer the Wolfgang for some reason, but I wouldn't spend the money to find out (and I'm not exactly tight with a buck ).



Don't expect much "anti-static" effect. Even FK425, supposedly very good in this regard, has a minimal impact IME. IF you don't like how your LSP attracts dust, eh...I'd just use a different LSP.



SO...I'd choose a good QD or rinseless wash for what you want to do between washes. Something you can buy by the gallon and I'd use it with good MFs. That's if you can't just leave it alone between washes

 

[Dan]

If you have dust issue, you don't want an oily QD/booster. That narrows down your list to Z6, FK425, OID. If you are looking for boosters, AW and Z8 are good choices.



The Wolfgang stuff is coming from the AG hype machine. Yes, it will work ok, but you are paying way too much for fancy labels.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

I will add HD FREE - better cleaning ability than any "QD" and leaves a nice polymer protection behind.



Waterless Car Wash Lotion for Your Entire Car - HD Free | 3D Products

 

[funyfarm]

thanks for the suggestions. i picked up some surf city beyond black tire dressing,they have it at walmart here.ive read good things on here about it. almost went for the liquid or paste wax $20 with applicator and mf. to use on top of the zymol cleaner wax sine i dont want to buy anither one until this is gone



as far as a lsp im using whats left of my zymol spray glaze and im going to try something else.



im trying to avoid buying online bc i couldnt just buy ine thing,id need more



im just mad they dont carry tire applicators at walmart anymore, o well cant expect much right

 

[Thomas Dekany]

go to home depot and get some grout sponges. Cut them up to small pieces. there is your quality applicator

thanks for the suggestions. i picked up some surf city beyond black tire dressing,they have it at walmart here.ive read good things on here about it. almost went for the liquid or paste wax $20 with applicator and mf. to use on top of the zymol cleaner wax sine i dont want to buy anither one until this is gone



as far as a lsp im using whats left of my zymol spray glaze and im going to try something else.



im trying to avoid buying online bc i couldnt just buy ine thing,id need more



im just mad they dont carry tire applicators at walmart anymore, o well cant expect much right

 

[Junebug]

A lot of places like Dollar Tree or Big Lots will have tire applicators dirt cheap, the sponge in a plastic cover deal that keeps your fingers clean. I bought a bunch for 5 bucks.

And on another note, they carry drain cleaners for a lot less than the name brands, still same formulars - just called Mr Plumber or something.

 

[killerzee]

Zymol, Wolfgangs, products are for morons who think money buys you the best of everything.....(no offense, I tried them)



The best product company all around is Zaino. Great shine, protection, and easy to use. Not too pricey since you don't use much of the product. I also like Chemical Guys stuff, and Optimum products are decent as well.

 

[TroyScherer]

Zymol, Wolfgangs, products are for morons who think money buys you the best of everything.....(no offense, I tried them)



The best product company all around is Zaino. Great shine, protection, and easy to use. Not too pricey since you don't use much of the product. I also like Chemical Guys stuff, and Optimum products are decent as well.

Zaino really? If you like their stuff you should check out DuraGloss. Same stuff but cheaper... :flame:

 

[Accumulator]

Zymol... products are for morons...

Heh heh, a few members here, who IMO aren't the least bit swayed by some fallacious cost/quality correlation, might disagree with you where certain Estate Glazes are concerned. A few of those folks have even offered to send me some Vintage to try on the S8 or the Jag, utterly confident that I'd love the stuff (with, perhaps *especially with*, cost out of the picture) on certain vehicles.



Anyhow, Welcome to Autopia!

 

[Bill D]

I haven' t seen a "blind taste test" type of comparison between the highest of high end Estate Glazes and mere boutique equivalents in a while. Im imagining the Estate stuff would "win" in the categories shown and tested for but factors such as the color and car would be the major influence. Perhaps the regular boutique stuff would look just as good on other colors and cars.

 

[Dan]

I think it would be hilarious for someone like Megs or 3D to get a couple of rental cars and do one with their flagship product compared to something ridiculous like Zymol Solaris.



If I'm honest with myself, I really can't come to any conclusion other than Collinite 915 is the pinnacle of value for a wax. I've owned a few of the Zymol Estate glazes, which I liked, but if you put 915 and Concours on a car and asked me to tell the two apart, I don't think I could.

 

[Accumulator]

I think that a truly fair comparison would be kinda tricky to set up :think: Especially the "subjective preference" thing.



On most normal cars (i.e., the "rental" idea), I agree that somebody good could probably make the "cheapie product" car look just as good. Ditto for most comparisons using most cars, evaluated by most people (even us Autopians). Hey, I'm the guy who used 476S on a Concours car that some "expert" thought "must be wearing Dodo Juice, because nothing else looks quite like it!" :chuckle:



But then OTOH...take a car with different/odd/"special" paint and/or body contours, add in an evaluator who wants that vehicle to look a *very* specific way, then things might get interesting.



Different people see, and prefer, different things when they look at cars. Well, at least *certain* cars.

 

[Dan]

I do agree, things look differently on different cars, and lighting. But you have to think, what is that difference worth to you. And are you the only one that sees it? There is a huge cliff on ROI past $50 when it comes to any detailing product, especially LSP. Give me a specific look you are after, and I'm sure a sub $50 product will get 99% there.

 

[Accumulator]

Here's a fairly simple/"unexotic" example of a specific look (that I think you've heard before)- the (definitely weird!) single stage metallic gray lacquer on my Jag. To *my* eyes, no other combo looks quite the same as SRP topped with Sӧuveran. Close, but not exactly the same and it just happens to be the specific look I want on that car. So if one of those products became ungodly expensive for some reason, I'd simply pay up for that 1% that nobody else could see. Heh heh, wouldn't surprise me one bit if other people *preferred* some other look! When I'm gone, the car's next owner can use whatever he likes :chuckle:



So if somebody feels the same about [whatever] for some reason, I have zero criticism of that person spending whatever they're comfortable with, and I'm not gonna :boink: them.



Like every mention of Zymӧl, this gets back to whether the $ matters to the user. Remember, I'm the guy who says that if, for even a moment, you have to think about the cost at all, then anything more expensive than Collinite oughta be off the list. But for somebody who considers $10K pocket change, well...I'm all for stimulating the economy.



Heh heh, once again, I suspect we're actually pretty much in agreement here

 

[killerzee]

Sorry...didn't mean to offend anyone.....but I was calling myself a moron for the most part. There was a time when I believed that Bose speakers were amazing, and Gucci, Fendi and Prada were great products.....until I took Marketing 101....and then learned about business, pricing, and profit margin.



Overall most of the Autogeeks products are overpriced garabage...in comparison to the amazing cheap products. I love trying out new detailing products, but my all time favorite's have always been Zaino, Meguiars, Menzerna, Optimum, Chemical Guys, Total. Generally the products that are highly reviewed on this forum are pretty amazing. I have now learned to do loads of research prior to purchasing and using new products, from crackers to underwear, reviews are correct. Obviously don't believe in 1 or 2 reviews, but if 95 out of 100 are 5 very positive, thats the clear choice.



What's funny is that I actually threw out several of my Wolfgang products.....I didn't want my friends using horrible stuff like that. There was some shine, but absolutely no protection....and it acted like a dust magnet.

 

[Swanicyouth]

One thing I like about products like Souveran and Fuzion is their ease of use. I love using them because they are super easy and look great. Really all the Auto Geek products are excellent and the have great sales. If I was detailing for a living, I'd be more concerned with cost. Since its a hobby, I'm not looking for an LSP to last 6 months. Even if it lasts six months, it tends not to look as good as when applied.



I just think its crazy when the prices of wax get into the thousands, as I can't imagine what's in it to justify the higher cost.

 

[Dan]

If you want ease of use, you can wipe on Collinite and wipe it right off, I bet it will last longer than either of the above.



If you are happy with them, keep at it. Personally I think they are a hype machine and their only form of innovation is cool looking labels. They are wildly successful though.

 

[funyfarm]

i never pulled the trigger. still looking and reading articles.

im not using the highh dollar zymol wax. this cleaner/wax im trying to use up does not get the fine swirls out of my metallic black paint. im considering going with something like Klasse AIO and if so, some sonus detail sprays to compliment (unless im falling for marketing ). im just terrible with purchasing or at least looking into purchasing detailing products.



then theres mf towels,lol.thats a whole different debate but i am so tired of the crap ones i am using. they need to be repurposed. im going to pick up some this weekonline, just not sure which ones yet.



so now i am finally going to bite the bullet and order some high quality car care products. hope i can stay under $100

 

[Accumulator]

If you want ease of use, you can wipe on Collinite and wipe it right off, I bet it will last longer than either of the above..

Just like you let Sӧuveran haze before you buff it. Most LSPs work pretty OK with either method, I just get *slightly* better durability whenever I let stuff flash off.

Sorry...didn't mean to offend anyone.....

Eh, no offense taken here, I just knee-jerk about certain topics and can't resist tossing my 2₵ in the ring



I'm a *BIG* fan of rational decision making (and I think the book Predictably Irrational oughta be required reading), but I'm also a consumer of certain, uhm....luxury goods, and a firm believer in letting people decide for themselves how they want to ascribe "value". As long as the target market can pay cash without having to give the purchase a second thought, exorbitant pricing doesn't bother me. Now, people buying stuff just because "expensive must be better!" or to impress others, well...sure, I think those folks are idiots. But if somebody thinks, say..the smell of Solaris is worth a few $K that they have to spend, well OK by me.



OK, OK...end of rant [Accumulator sheepishly climbs down off his soapbox...]

..Overall most of the Autogeeks products are overpriced garabage...

You mean their "house brands" like Wolfgang, right? I do a lot of business with AutoGeek, but I'm almost always just buying name-brand stuff.



Heh heh, I've been using Pinnacle since *decades* before there *was* an AutoGeek!

..this cleaner/wax im trying to use up does not get the fine swirls out of my metallic black paint. im considering going with something like Klasse AIO..

The KAIO won't do that either, it's functionally non-abrasive on almost all autopaints. Even ZAIO probably won't do it, and it actually has some real abrasives in it. Getting even minor correction out of an AIO is a very tall order, despite what the ac-copy would have you believe.



Maybe the 3D Speed would do it :think: Never tried it myself, but that's the product I'd go with.