Why so many????

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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
Why do manufacturers feel the need for so many overlapping products?

Are so many different swirl removers really necessary?
Since much of the results are from the type of pad used and the method of use, it almost seems that having 3 to 5 different levels of swirl removers becomes overkill. Same product with different pad, different speed, different pressure, different result. If you think you need a really abrasive SMR, maybe you actually need a compound.
Even a chemical cleaner will do some swirl removal when used correctly.

What about waxes
There is certainly nothing wrong with "new" products, but the "old" products seem to stick around forever to make things even more confusing. Are the new products really new or just improved? Maybe the label could read "New and Improved" rather than introducing an entire new line.

Do people really feel that different colors of wax result in different results on different colors of paint?
The vehicles I take care of include red, white, silver, gold, maroon, and at different times included black and very dark blue. They all looked good using the same products on all of them. Possibly different looks for different products, but the products looked the same on any color.

Comments?

Charles
 
Charles,

I totally understand where your coming from. What I have learned about using different products/combos for a desired end look has all come down to preference. What you might think looks "extremely wet" might look "somewhat wet" to someone else and so forth and so on for the different looks of paint.

I have seen alot of people say they don't like the look of Zaino, but me personally I think the look it great on "sertain colors". It all comes down to preference when it comes to the look. I like one look but not like another. I'm sure alot of people would agree.

About the "So many different products for one use" question. I think it boils down to people enjoy trying new things and some may work better for removing defects than others so we have many products to choose from. Me personally, I don't want to do the same thing day in and day out on a car. Get's boring. I like to switch it up a little. I'm sure some other people will chime in on this one as well.

Bryan
 
I def. agree with you on alot of this.

I use three swirl removers, optimum polish, compound, and hyper compound.

I have used HC once.

You have to remember that these companies are trying to make money. They are in this to make a pretty penny, anyone who thinks other wise is blind to the truth.

The more products available the more money available. For example if 5 different swirl removers are offered people will feel the need to buy all 5.

As for waxes, i don't know about people feeling different color waxes work differently. Each wax gives a different look....

the only wax i have heard of that is effected by the color of the was is the zymol ebony and rouge, they are only designed for SS paint and not clear. so i guess its like adding a layer of color to the paint...

but i agree there isn't a need for so many swirl removers or different colored waxes
 
Both of the statements above are very true. One way to look at it. I mean, it is a business. People do enjoy it but they are also wanting to make money to feed the kids, pay the bills and etc. etc.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
You have to remeber that these companies are trying to make money.
The more products available the more money available.
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JaredPointer said:
More stuff to sell could = more money to be made. It's all in the marketing angle I suppose.
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bsdsys said:
but they are also wanting to make money
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Gee, do you really think selling more stuff has something to do with it? :D
You will have to admit that it works. At least they manage to get me pretty regularly.:)

Charles
 
I tend to stick with one swirl remover and vary my pad, speed and pressure to get it to do what I want.

Most of the cars I do need some moderate swirl removing, but if they have very light swirls, I reach for a good all in one product and use it as my swirl remover and follow up with a lsp after that. It's just a habit I have formed over the years. I figure if I can do the job of a mild swirl remover with an all in one, then why not give it some extra protection as I'm removing swirls.

Troy
 
Troy@DetailCity said:
I tend to stick with one swirl remover and vary my pad, speed and pressure to get it to do what I want.
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That's been my experience, but it is good to hear it from a professional. As a hobby detailer, I sometimes confuse reality with what I want to believe. :)
Troy@DetailCity said:
Most of the cars I do need some moderate swirl removing, but if they have very light swirls, I reach for a good all in one product and use it as my swirl remover and follow up with a lsp after that. It's just a habit I have formed over the years. I figure if I can do the job of a mild swirl remover with an all in one, then why not give it some extra protection as I'm removing swirls.

Troy
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This is also something I have been experimenting with recently. I have used a dedicated swirl remover in the past, but have recently been trying the Optimum Poli-Seal based on the recommendation of a friend. Good results so far, but I don't usually have much marring to correct on our vehicles.

Charles
 
Maybe it's just me, but I can tell a pretty noticeable difference in some of the products that I use that are targeted at certain colors. Others, I just find easier to work with on lighter colors rather than dark and vice versa. I am colorblind(I can differentiate, but that's about it) though, and that might have something to do with it.

I really like trying out new products when I can. If one of my favorite vendors comes out with something new and I honestly think that I'll be able to use it, I'll usually order it. I'm sure that money is part of the equation, but they might just be trying to cater to different peoples needs and preferences.
 
CharlesW said:
You will have to admit that it works. At least they manage to get me pretty regularly.:)

Charles
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Second that one Charles. :) But seriously though. I do think alot of products react to sertain situations better/worse than others but as stated before it could be the user in the end but if you find something you enjoy working with by all means stick with it. I am still learning, I am far from a professional but I do like having options.
 
Depends on where the product is coming from to be honest. Enthusiast/Boutique markets play the product game the most if you think of it. Professional outlets like AutoMagic & Etc. run a bigger mass market product. It's all Detailer preference.

However I will argue that Menzerna & Optimum Polishes are not your usual product. Optimum was designed by Professional Detailers for Detailers.
 
CharlesW said:
Why do manufacturers feel the need for so many overlapping products?

Are so many different swirl removers really necessary?
Since much of the results are from the type of pad used and the method of use, it almost seems that having 3 to 5 different levels of swirl removers becomes overkill. Same product with different pad, different speed, different pressure, different result. If you think you need a really abrasive SMR, maybe you actually need a compound.
Even a chemical cleaner will do some swirl removal when used correctly.
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Yes, there is a need and each product will work differently for each job attempted as well as each paint finish being different in hardness and workability.

CharlesW said:
What about waxes
There is certainly nothing wrong with "new" products, but the "old" products seem to stick around forever to make things even more confusing. Are the new products really new or just improved? Maybe the label could read "New and Improved" rather than introducing an entire new line.
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Personally I would rather just improve the product and not make a big fuss about it. :notme: Putting "New & Improved" is kind of cheesy to me and hype.
...and how long would it be acceptable to leave the "New & Improved" on a label? Would you expect a mfg to change labels every month or two...not too likely :rolleyes:
CharlesW said:
Do people really feel that different colors of wax result in different results on different colors of paint?
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We tweek our Natty's Blue to look a bit deeper and wetter than the Original White...this has been shown in many a thread and especially for those who have used it on lighter colors to get a little more depth. :rockon
 
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