Who Uses ONR?

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berglar

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I would like to know who uses ONR and why? I talked to a rep of one of the more popular and better product lines (does not sell ONR) and he expressed concerns about ONR. Says Pro Detailers use it to turn over car detailing quicker (his words not mine). I have used it and so far so good but want to know I am using it in the right apllication.
 
it would prob. be easier to ask who does not use it!



I love it because I can wash @ my girl's condo or anywhere for that matter



why would you listen to someone bashing a product he does not sell

you have use it and like it that all that should count!



also there are like a billon threads about ONR so it can't be that bad
 
berglar said:
I would like to know who uses ONR and why? I talked to a rep of one of the more popular and better product lines (does not sell ONR) and he expressed concerns about ONR. Says Pro Detailers use it to turn over car detailing quicker (his words not mine). I have used it and so far so good but want to know I am using it in the right apllication.
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Sounds like maybe sour grapes? Does he sell any of the Optimum line? Maybe he's against it cause he can't get the line of products to market. I have found it to be a very cheap QD that has decent cleaning ability. I don't use it as a wash though. What were his concerns other than pro detailers using it? I can see where it could be a very valuable product for a quick detail to make a car look good and ready for sale.
 
I love ONR, once you a process down it really does make you more efficient.



I use it as a rinsless wash and as a clay lube. It also works great on windows.



With all the great QD offerings out there I don't use ONR as a QD except for door jamb duty



ONR really is great tool to have in the aresenal
 
Rinseless washes will never equal the effectiveness of a traditional wash particularlly with wheels, tires, wheelwells, engines and undercarriages, especially if one has access to pressurized water. I use a 4000psi 13HP Honda motor pressure washer with a short wand and an angled tip. Of course I never use anywhere near the full psi rating, however I do use more pressure for the above mentioned areas than the rest of the body.



With that said, I personally would never attempt to fully wash a vehicle using strictly ONR. Not only for fear of marring and decreased effectiveness, but also because I feel it doesn't look professional. Thats just my opinion though and if you use ONR and are reading this, don't take it personal. As long as it works for you thats all that matters.
 
clnfrk said:
With that said, I personally would never attempt to fully wash a vehicle using strictly ONR. Not only for fear of marring and decreased effectiveness, but also because I feel it doesn't look professional. Thats just my opinion though and if you use ONR and are reading this, don't take it personal. As long as it works for you thats all that matters.
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Interesting but the comments I always get is that it's "high tech" and "eco friendly."
 
clnfrk said:
Rinseless washes will never equal the effectiveness of a traditional wash particularlly with wheels, tires, wheelwells, engines and undercarriages, especially if one has access to pressurized water. I use a 4000psi 13HP Honda motor pressure washer with a short wand and an angled tip. Of course I never use anywhere near the full psi rating, however I do use more pressure for the above mentioned areas than the rest of the body.



With that said, I personally would never attempt to fully wash a vehicle using strictly ONR. Not only for fear of marring and decreased effectiveness, but also because I feel it doesn't look professional. Thats just my opinion though and if you use ONR and are reading this, don't take it personal. As long as it works for you thats all that matters.
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I'm 50/50 about your comment. I agree that ONR *might* not substitute the traditional bucket and hose wash, but if we look into some major details and pro detailers (Scottwax to give an example) and take a look at their work, you would never be able to tell if he used ONR or a conventional wash(of course, *we* know he uses ONR). The whole matter of this is, to folow the instructions and use a nice soft mitt to wash your car.



I use ONR almost exclusively to wash both my wife's and my car. The process is simle, it doesn't create tangled hoses, and saves a lot of water. I just discovered this week that you can use it to clean the interior plastics, and some people even use it to clean glass(I tried the glass cleaning, but need to probably use 2 mf's in order to clean and wipe). I think ONR is the best product out there and the most bashed just because it takes washes to a whole new level.



"Once you use ONR, you don't go back, bro!" :LOLOL



Joey:spot
 
clnfrk said:
I feel it doesn't look professional. Thats just my opinion though and if you use ONR and are reading this, don't take it personal. As long as it works for you thats all that matters.
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The #1 response from my customers (and I have cleaned over 10,000 cars using first QEW and the last 18 months, ONR) is "wow, that is amazing". They appreciate I am not using their water, that I am not making a mess of the driveway, it is pretty much noiseless, especially compared to the sound of a pressure washer and some appreciate that is is enviromentally friendly.



In addition, I have several customers who bought ONR (and QEW when I was using that) to wash their cars between details.



In a way, your distributor is right, one of the reasons I use it is because I can wash a car more quickly. It is very cost effective too. I believe I am paying $32 from my local Optimum distributor and I can get over 100 washes from that one gallon.



If the larger company you are talking about is Meguiars, I have it straight from someone at Meguiars that they looked into their own version of QEW (when it was the only rinseless wash) and found a lot of room for improvement (as Dave with Optimum did) but in the end decided not to make their own version since it isn't "bubba proof". Anything they offer for retail sale has to still be able to give decent results even if not used properly and they didn't feel that a rinseless wash has enough margin of error.
 
I used ONR for the first time last night. I had a detail and got home in the dark with the car already in my driveway and I had to wash it and clay so I could hit the polishing in the morning.



I recently purchased it and so decided to finally give it a shot. My goodness I was impressed! You BARELY, and I mean BARELY feel the dirt on the car as you are moving the mitt along. As you make your pass, it leaves a very 'water on wax' look (if you will). I guess this is indicative of the high lubrication aspect of ONR, because I don't see that characteristic with other car wash soaps.



When you dry (very easily might I add), it leaves a nice glossy shine as well. Honestly the only iffy part I have experienced (maybe because of my lack of experience...and I'm sure Scottwax will come in and say something about this as he's very experienced with ONR) would be the cleaning of the wheel wells. Unless that's done last with a brush?



Overall, I'm thoroughly impressed and will use this as my go-to product from now on for car washing.



As for the person you spoke to, I guess he's just a hater :p



Seriously I think everyone should give ONR a try!





edit: haha Scott you beat me! :p



you pay a great price for ONR! I paid about $20 CAD for 32oz.
 
You will find that very few detailers on this site use onr to increase volume, when I use it which is often, I am still spending multiple hours on that particular car like most others. You will find quite often that very popular products will be attacked by those who don't sell it or offer a similar product.
 
I use it. Fast, works great, seems to add a little something to my cars finish. I can wash my car in the dead of winter and also not come back into the house soaked in water.
 
I think it's a great product that does everything it promises to do, if not more.



But I also have to somewhat agree with clnfrk's comments. There are just places in a car that you cannot get to without water and pressure. On some cars, I can spray a certain crevice or in between window moldings and mud literally pours out. Since I am a weekend warrior, maybe I don't have the same mentality as the average consumer paying a detailer to work on their car, but if I were to pay someone to clean my car, I would feel somewhat cheated if the car wasn't as clean as it could have been.



For example, if I did this professionally, I could see myself using ONR on a car I take care of on a weekly or bi-weekly basis if I got it completely clean to begin with and it hasn't been long since it had a regular wash. But if it was a brand new customer, I would feel like I was cheating the customer.



It's like taking a shower. You could wipe yourself down and feel "fresh" for a short period of time, but eventually you're going to have to take a real shower. And a real shower isn't just stepping into the water and lathering yourself up. You got areas you have to scrub (behind your ears, your neck, your back, etc.) if you want to be fully clean.
 
Washing wheels and the wells can be quite messy for the MF towel you're using, but it gets the job done pretty good. On my wheels, I actually see the brake dust lift off / run down the wheel when ONR contacts it. Tires will clean up good too....however, your towel will look like crap. Wheel wells are pretty easy if it is made up of mostly plastic liners....textured-painted ones may be another story. In this case, you could resort to using a weak QD mix of ONR in a spray bottle to hit those areas and loosen them up before a wiped down.



I got 3 gallons of ONR and I'm all set. :usa
 
BlackElantraGT said:
I think it's a great product that does everything it promises to do, if not more.



But I also have to somewhat agree with clnfrk's comments. There are just places in a car that you cannot get to without water and pressure. On some cars, I can spray a certain crevice or in between window moldings and mud literally pours out. Since I am a weekend warrior, maybe I don't have the same mentality as the average consumer paying a detailer to work on their car, but if I were to pay someone to clean my car, I would feel somewhat cheated if the car wasn't as clean as it could have been.



For example, if I did this professionally, I could see myself using ONR on a car I take care of on a weekly or bi-weekly basis if I got it completely clean to begin with and it hasn't been long since it had a regular wash. But if it was a brand new customer, I would feel like I was cheating the customer.



It's like taking a shower. You could wipe yourself down and feel "fresh" for a short period of time, but eventually you're going to have to take a real shower. And a real shower isn't just stepping into the water and lathering yourself up. You got areas you have to scrub (behind your ears, your neck, your back, etc.) if you want to be fully clean.
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:werd:



My thoughts exactly but I do not detail for a living and I "like" spending quality time when detailing my vehicles or an occasional paying customer. The only way I can maintain under carriage components in a "new" appearance state is by using soap, plenty of water and a rinse. Aluminum alloy suspension components require this.

I will state that ONR/QEW does leave behind a nice gloss / beading when I do use it on a garaged and not used vehicle that requires only a "dust" removal quick cleansing.

That is why I find is hilarious when anyone analysizing LSP's for durability/beading states that the beading has diminished or remained static since application and has used ONR/QEW to cleaned the finish prior to the analysis. :nixweiss
 
I use ONR in a shop environment a lot and have never experienced any problems. My process is to use it after compounding to remove the abrasive compound dust from the body panels before going to the next polishing step. I use it again before applying 3M Ultrafina. After all the process work is done, I power wash to remove excess product from body seams, etc...that's a given.



ONR is very effective and I'd sure notice scratching on the black cars if there was a problem.



Toto
 
ONR here exclusively since February 2006 for my two personal vehicles. I really like the ecological aspect of a no rinse wash. I'm amazed that not a single neighbor seems to be aware I'm washing without a hose.
 
Scottwax said:
If the larger company you are talking about is Meguiars, I have it straight from someone at Meguiars that they looked into their own version of QEW (when it was the only rinseless wash) and found a lot of room for improvement (as Dave with Optimum did) but in the end decided not to make their own version since it isn't "bubba proof". Anything they offer for retail sale has to still be able to give decent results even if not used properly and they didn't feel that a rinseless wash has enough margin of error.
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I guess they were able to produce a "bubba proof" version or they think very highly of the Australians, which is where I think this product is sold.



Meguiars Waterless Wash





Oh, and to the OP...I use ONR too. Usually when I'm to tired to break out the hose and buckets. It's great for the winter time if you live in parts of the world where it would be a concern.
 
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