Where did things go wrong?

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Voncrutch

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products used:

CG p-40 polish blue hex pad 3-4 with p.c.

CG black light black hex pad 3 with p.c.

CG jet seal 109 black hex pad 3 with p.c.



2006 tundra charcoal grey. (phantom grey)

Just wanted to do my anual detail on her with some new products and this is how it went down.

Wash

clay bar (mothers Showtime kit)

polish (p-40 CG)

glaze (black light CG)

sealer (jet seal 109)

after all was said and done the truck has swirling like nobodys business.:angry:



i have talked with tech @ C.G. and they say i went wrong with using a blue pad with my first stage of polish. that it was not agressive enough to bite into the paint. my question is, how can a polish and a pad that is NOT aggressive enough

to bite into the paint leave behind a good amount of swirls? and further more why didnt the black light glaze atleast hide some of these swirls on the second stage of my job? i am a rookie to detailing. though i am not a rookie to automotive finishes where i had painted customs for over 10 years doing my fair share of colorsand and polish.(soft fresh paint) any feed back would be greatly appreciated!
 
I don't want to rub salt in an open wound, but your first mistake was to the whole car without a test area.



Second, either your pad or your polish (or both) weren't aggressive enough if you still have swirling.



Last your glaze is probably not filling in the large swirls that your polishing left behind. By using a compound that is not aggressive enough you are leaving behind the big swirls and getting rid of the small ones.
 
I would like to ad that the finish was swirl free to start with. I created swirls in the finish with this process. Could i have created the swirls from not using enough of one of the products? it has micro swirls all through out now. looks wet and glossy but im bummed on swirls
 
Could have happened in the wash or the clay process...

Anything from dirt in your wash media to too little clay

lube/too much pressure when claying/not folding the

clay enough/etc... could have caused deeper marks like that.
 
Voncrutch said:
I would like to ad that the finish was swirl free to start with. I created swirls in the finish with this process. Could i have created the swirls from not using enough of one of the products? it has micro swirls all through out now. looks wet and glossy but im bummed on swirls
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Do you have swirls or holograms? As dfazekas said, it could have happened anywhere along the way, you'll need to backtrack to figure out what happened unless it really is holograms (buffer trails). Can you get a picture in the sun?
 
Just for future reference, they were absolutely right about using a more aggressive polish with a finishing pad. The soft pad doesn't give the abrasives a chance to properly break down as you polish. You can use a more aggressive pad with a less abrasive product, or a compound with a polishing pad but finishing pads only seem to work well with finishing polishes.
 
tdekany said:
The ultra fina just hid the swirls, hope you know that.
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Never had swirls come back with Ultrafina. As long as you use it according to the directions, it removes LIGHT holograms. Where people get into trouble with it is going from compounding to Ultrafina. Miss the polishing step and lotsa luck.
 
Every step is crucial. My guess, is that you somehow induced swirls during the washing. Then, your polish/pad combination wasn't aggressive enough to remove the swirls...therefore every step after, including the polish was pointless. Always run test spots to be sure first. You don't want to waste your time.



You may need to start with compound at this point. You should be able to go straight to sealant after polish as long as you wipe the panels down to strip oils. I don't see much sense in laying a sealant down over a glaze. Glaze typically has fillers, and wax. If anything it will interfere with the longevity of the sealant.
 
Voncrutch said:
I would like to ad that the finish was swirl free to start with. I created swirls in the finish with this process. Could i have created the swirls from not using enough of one of the products? it has micro swirls all through out now. looks wet and glossy but im bummed on swirls
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Just an honest question: if you had a swirl-free finish before you started, why would you polish?
 
I know someone who has used jetseal and told me if you use too little the surface will look swirled. Ive never had any personal experience with it.
 
Just an honest question: if you had a swirl-free finish before you started, why would you polish?



kevinch your right about the polish. did have some very light swirls that i probably would have been better using a glaze but i got caught up on all this hype of the CG products and thought doing a quicky of there polish with a p.c. would be sweet.lol never worked with deminishing polish before and i believe thats where i had problems.
 
This is why I hate the blue pads. There is a "cyan" cutting pad and a blue jeweling pad. Why cant they just make the damn things so from dark colors (heavy cutting) to light colors (polishing and finishing). I remember when I first started it took a month of reading everywhere to figure out whose companies pads were what cut. Meguiars uses the yellow pad for light cutting, while a LC yellow pad is for heavy cutting, BUT they also make a yellow jeweling pad.



Sorry just an old pet peeve of mine. The good advice is above. You used the wrong pad. If I were you just make it easy on your self. Label all your pads in a zip lock according to cutting power. Bust them out once a year and do your thing.
 
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