What's better than P21S on dark, metallic gray?

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cobrar97

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I have a sterling gray Ford. I like to use a carnuba product so I can get depth and reflection. As a side note, I use Prima HydroSeal on my other silver and while vehicles, and I love it. Although it doesn't last as long, I don't mind waxing, so I use the carnuba on my dark gray.



I've tried various waxes, and was hooked on Sovergn for the longest time. Then I switched to P21S because I thought it had more depth and was a little easier to remove. I recently changed to P21S 100%, and I like it just as well.



Just wondering if there are other carnubas out there that anyone would recommend for an even wetter look and higher level of depth. I've been looking at the Migliore products. I see that BlackFire has a new BlackICE with montan in it. I know Dodo Juice has some fancy stuff too. Without me having to buy tons of high-cost products to try, I was hoping a few of you would have some suggestions that would best my 'ol P21S. And the paintwork on this vehicle is perfect as far as prep-work goes...so I'm just focused on the LSP that's going to have the little but extra over the others.
 
You're at the point of splitting hairs. I'd certainly avoid any AG concoctions like BlackICE or Fuzion, it's just marketing at its best. My suggestions would be CG50/50 or Glasur, both will last longer than the P21S and might look better to your eyes.
 
Opti-Seal followed by Optimum Car Wax on silver/grey is amazing. Easy and cheap too. Other option would be Collinite 476.
 
cobrar97- IMO P21S is the *exact* wrong wax for the look you're after, and that's why I hated it on my Metallic Gray Jag. IT was too bright and reflective, with insufficient depth for the look I'm after on that car.



If it's all about looks, I'd go with Söuveran. Otherwise, I agree with Scottwax...go with Collinite 476S.
 
I tried the Souveran originally, and it was just dead and lifeless. I used it three times to give it a fair shake, and just wasn't impressed. If didn't even have any depth. Many, many people swear by it; so I figured I couldn't go wrong. Maybe my eyeball just isn't the same?

I've never used Collinite products before. Maybe I should check that out.
 
If you didn't like PS, 476 is going to give you a similar look. 845 might be closer to what you like. Also NXT and Zaino are really bright and bold.
 
cobrar97 said:
I tried the Souveran originally, and it was just dead and lifeless..
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Huh....don't take this as an :argue or anything, but that *really* surprises me :eek: Gotta admit it has me thinking "prep" :think: Aw gee I hope that doesn't sound [snotty]. Söuveran is about the only LSP my wife can spot, simply *because* it has such an impressive look (she'd like it on her daily, but I got tired of redoing it all the time).



Dan said:
845 might be closer to what you like.
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I always think 845 (which I do like) looks a *lot* like the P21s (and M16 too for that matter).



If you didn't like PS, 476 is going to give you a similar look.
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Ya know, I find both of those (PS and 476S) to be *extremely* dependent on prep. I hated 476S on my (metallic black) Yukon until I repolished with different stuff, and then the flake was really impressive (whereas before it looked muted). Just having it "marring-free) wasn't enough for some reason, it needed some burnishing to make the 476S look its best.
 
Accumulator - Just for additional information. This vehicle is a brand new 2013 F150. Actually built in March on this year...so it's pretty new. When I got it, I did the usual decontamination (since I'm sure the dealer wasn't priortizing my vehicle). After than it was scratch free...but I polished it anyhow. Since we still had snow potential and tons of salt dust on the roads, I put Prima HydroSeal on it. I like that because it gets into all the cracks and crevicies. Obviously being a sealant, it looked good; but not "deep". 2 weeks later, when it had rained alot and much of the salt-dust had finally been washed away, I put the PS on. It just didn't look like I expected. A few days later, I did coat #2. A little better, but still not great. A few days later, a 3rd coat. Nothin. Finally, I grabbed my old P21S that's been sitting there since I last used a carnuba product (years ago), and boom...what a difference. Paint got deeper and brighter both. The "brightness" isn't necesarily good or bad for me; the reason I started this thread about wax was to question a deeper wax to best my P21S since I know it's not really known for that. Did I do something wrong with the PS??? I know other people love it.

I don't take offense to anything you've said, I'm just trying to become educated of a better product or something I've done wrong with the product I've got. Any more ideas?
 
Cobra, I'm with you, I never really liked PS on anything but black or dark blue. Tons of better products for metallics.
 
cobrar97- Glad I'm not coming across as a pompous [jerk]. Maybe the PS just didn't "look its best" over top of the Prima, or maybe it's just eye-of-the-beholder stuff and the look isn't right for *you*. No need to mess around any more with something that doesn't work for you, but I *would* be curious about what you think of it if you try it after the next polishing.



Hmmmm..."deeper"... :think: Wonder what you'd think of Meguiar's M26. It's a cheap-enough OTC product that might be worth a shot.



Dan- Heh heh, OK now we're disagreeing again! It's on Audi silver that my wife simply *LOVES* Söuveran! I'm not sure I really agree with her (might not be disagreeing with you after all!), but she "sees something special" with it on that paint and whatever it is really wows her :nixweiss



I myself *LOVE* it on my Jag, but that's all I use it on (and hey, that car's been in mothballs for ages).
 
I think you like more of a subdued, rich look, or at least that's the vibe I get. I like amped up, over the top gloss that makes people say "wow, what did you put on your car." To my eyes PS is deep, and adds a rainbow like effect to the gloss, but its not glossy. I think part of the reason people love it on black is it makes the black, very black, not into a mirror. P21s is really glossy and deep, and makes black into a mirror.
 
DAN - That's a good way to put it. I also like it when my vehicle looks over-the-top, standout reflections. And that not what I get from PS. It's metallic gray...not a pure black mirror that PS probably looks great on. Being my vehilce is dark grey, I still want to use a nuba to get some depth...not simply a sealant that looks "plastic" like.
 
Have you tried NXT on it? NXT is way over the top bold on most colors, and it has good depth. I wouldn't say it looks plastic like either, not like KSG or older Zaino variants.
 
Having tried P21S, CG Raceglaze and Glasur on my metallic wheat beige. I would say if it is depth and warmth you are after go for the glasur. It will 'darken' your color a little but it very deep and warm.



I also like P21 for the spreadibilty and reflectiveness. Haven't come to like raceglaze (I tried :).
 
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