Using Turtle Wax Emerald ontop off IHG

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imported_dickie

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So I've decided to glaze and wax my new car this weekend. It already has a few swirls from the dealer, and 3M SMR hasn't made much difference, except to some of the bigger swirls. I'll probably just fill them in with some IHG then, plus I like the shine it gives. And as the car is new, I don't fancy using a polish. I understand IHG has very little polishing / cleaning ability. So the ability to fill swirls and give a nice shine, suits me fine.



So now the question is - what do I put ontop of IHG. I have always used Autolglym Extra Gloss (similar to Klasse). However I understand Polymers do not bond properly with IHG ? Is this true.



The only other alternative is to use Turtle Wax Emerald Paste Wax. Every other wax available locally seems to contain a cleaner. I wonder does TW Emerald just contain wax. They advertise is as pure 100% Brazillian Caranuba. But I imagine the Caranuba content is less then 3% really. Anyone used this ?



thx
 
I've used emerald... residue is a pain, regardless of how thin you apply it...



If you're going to use Klasse AIO, it'll strip off IHG anyway...
 
That only means that one of the ingredients is Carnauba wax. When Carnauba really in its pure form it would be impossible to put on a vehicle. It's like a big yellow brick. It must be softened for regualar use. Generally, even on paste waxes this means 3-5%.



If you have 3M products in Ireland try Perfect-It Show Car Wax. You should be able to order it. According to the net at 3m.com the phone number is +353 1 280 3555. They should be able to give you some districutors. It is a carnauba and won't last as long as a synthetic. I would have a hard time believing that Klasse would not be available somewhere. It is european afterall.
 
Actually I like the Autoglym stuff. I have Super Resin and it compares quite well to Klasse which a friend has. I can order pretty much everything from www.autodetail.com as they ship to Ireland.



The reason I was thinking of using IHG followed by Extra Gloss, is because I didn't really want to polish a 4 week old car. And IHG doesn't really have any serious polishing effect, just fills swirls, which suited me fine. Super Resin is slightly abrasive I believe. So I was going to follow up the IHG with the Extra Gloss, until I read about polymers not bonding well with glazes.



So the question is - is it ok to use Super Resin on a new car ??



If it is then I'm thinking of something like :



1. 3m SMR on back of car and quarter panels where swirls are visible. Not too may on bonnet.



2. Autoglym Super Resin (will remove smr oils and any light scratching)



3. Autoglym Extra Gloss
 
I don't thikn Super Resin will affect your new car, in fact, I believe that SMR will have a greater polishing effect than Super Resin...



I don't think Extra Gloss would bond that well on top of IHG... Why not try using IHG on top of Extra Gloss? Couldn't hurt...
 
I'm with theveed. I don't think you should sweat too much about the word "polish". A lot of polishes are really mild and only work as well as how hard you work it in. For example, Klasse AIO is really mild, but it was demonstrated to be capable of some serious refinishing when worked in by PC. I would bet that SRP is no more dangerous than AIO. I would just use Autoglym SRP to clean/prep the paint, and then layer on the EG.



I don't trust IHG or any glazes over synthetic polymer stuff. IHG strips Klasse, so I think it would do this to any other polymer too. I would just go nuts with the Extra Gloss instead.
 
The Super Resin Polish is very mild, esp if you use light pressure, so there should be no problem using it in a brand new car.



I use it with a soft foam pad, never had a problem with it.



Steven



PS Dont forget CMA now ship outside the USA
 
4DSC said:
I don't trust IHG or any glazes over synthetic polymer stuff. IHG strips Klasse, so I think it would do this to any other polymer too. I would just go nuts with the Extra Gloss instead.
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Really, hehe, I didn't know that (I guess I should scrap my plans of using IHG on top of other waxes/sealants)... please explain...



Can I use IHG on top of #26?



I sometimes glaze over my wax (or sealant) when we have car club get-togethers, just for show, so to speak... is that a no-no?
 
theveed said:
Really, hehe, I didn't know that (I guess I should scrap my plans of using IHG on top of other waxes/sealants)... please explain...



Can I use IHG on top of #26?



I sometimes glaze over my wax (or sealant) when we have car club get-togethers, just for show, so to speak... is that a no-no?
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Unfortunately I can't explain much, and I'm trying to word my opinion more cautiously these days because I can speak for Klasse, but everything else is just a somewhat informed guess. Just from a lot of stuff I've read in the past, a lot of polymer sealant products seem to have very similar formulas, or at least are grouped in the same "family" of chemicals. Also, since they usually have similar behavior (especially with regards to what dissolves them and won't), I figure they are broadly similar.



I did a little side trip while writing this and found SRL mentioning Ron said glazes like IHG stripped Klasse AND Zaino, so I may be right. I'll try and dig up the actual thread by Ron.



Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. The reason why glazes strip Klasse is because the solvents are incompatible, which is exactly what I discovered.



I don't know if IHG will strip waxes like #26 or not... Forrest says Mothers Sealer Glaze won't strip wax. Maybe IHG is the same? :nixweiss Sorry I can't really help on this one.
 
mrdetailer said:
That only means that one of the ingredients is Carnauba wax. When Carnauba really in its pure form it would be impossible to put on a vehicle. It's like a big yellow brick. It must be softened for regualar use. Generally, even on paste waxes this means 3-5%.

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Not quite true. If you look at the MSDS of 3M Show Car paste wax it shows carnauba wax as 10 to 30% of total content. It also contains between 3 and 7% of montan wax. Please note that there is a significant difference between the 3M Show Car paste wax and 3M Show Car liquid wax. The liquid version contains no carnauba but a polymer and it also has some abrasives (aluminum silicate) and solvents (Stoddard and isopropyl alcohol).
 
Don"t fight it.



Three suggestion: Chose one

.1 IHG and S100

.2 Meguiars # 7 and 26

3. Mothers three step system.



These are proven steps that have been successful many times.
 
Green Max said:
Not quite true. If you look at the MSDS of 3M Show Car paste wax it shows carnauba wax as 10 to 30% of total content. It also contains between 3 and 7% of montan wax. Please note that there is a significant difference between the 3M Show Car paste wax and 3M Show Car liquid wax. The liquid version contains no carnauba but a polymer and it also has some abrasives (aluminum silicate) and solvents (Stoddard and isopropyl alcohol).
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Hmm... have you been following me around on the internet or something? ;)



I read a bunch of MSDS's from 3M too, and they were interesting, but obviously don't list everything in there and doesn't have to add up to 100%. Evidently, lots of products contain various forms of naphtha from heavy to medium as a carrier for the oils and waxes. The only things I saw in IHG different from the liquid or paste waxes was mineral oil, castor oil, and glycerine.



I didn't find anything really conclusive by Ron K, just a statement that IHG will eat both sealants AND wax because they contain a lot of "hydrocarbon solvents". Unfortunately, this is too broad a statement to say what is and what isn't the bad solvents. The content of all 3 IHG-unique components are sorta high when added together, though not as high as the water content (60-80%). Maybe it's these kinds of oils themselves that make up what "glaze" is that dissolves sealants (and wax?).



I really hope the naphtha solvents in IGH aren't the culprit, because that is also present high-ish amounts in both liquid and paste 3M waxes..... :eek:
 
Green Max said:
Not quite true. If you look at the MSDS of 3M Show Car paste wax it shows carnauba wax as 10 to 30% of total content. It also contains between 3 and 7% of montan wax. Please note that there is a significant difference between the 3M Show Car paste wax and 3M Show Car liquid wax. The liquid version contains no carnauba but a polymer and it also has some abrasives (aluminum silicate) and solvents (Stoddard and isopropyl alcohol).
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True, Griot's claim to have over 30% in theirs, Zymol claims a whopping 60%
 
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