update: Broke down and wet sanded! FINISHED THE PAINT FINALLY!!

David703

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I had another post and gave you a little taste of what i was up against.. well anyway, after using the wool pad and the rotory cranked up to high, I decided to take out the 2000 grit and give myself a lesson in wet sanding........anyway, I"m tired but here are the results.. the car was HORRIBLE. The finish was like sandpaper before I started. The pictures do not do the car justice. (the befores and afters) I mean, the car was really really bad.



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AFTER



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obviously before



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just threw everything out and a quick carpet cleaning

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this had to be wet sanded... the white spot is a light bulb "reflection"



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obviously after

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hood with flourecent "reflections"

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after wet sanding and a lot of polishing

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anyway.... i sorta taught myself how to wet sand .....:rolleyes: sorta...
 
David, great job. It really does look like brand new again. Do you think you could take a couple full side view after pics like the ones you did outside? I'd love to see how the car came out as a whole.



Also, a lot of our members (including myself) are very interested in wetsanding but haven't built up enough guts to try it yet. Would you mind taking a momemnt to explain your process, and maybe tell us what you've learned throughout the whole detail? Any definite do's and don'ts?
 
Thanks Jason for the kind words.... I will try to take some side shots... I did earlier and really nothing came out, it just looks like a flat white car.....



Also, this was a friend's car and she left it with me for a week. So its not a customer, therefore, I was so darn exhausted I let the sides go a little. I mean, I was using so much product on the car, that I felt that I "learned" enough from her car that I didnt want to go to extremes on the sides to really make the car as perfect as I could.



I am happy to tell everyone what I learned, but I am a little embarrased because I am such a novice compared to most here. Whatever i tell, I feel that you guys already know.



But what I did learn is never go into an edge or corner with a wool pad on a rotory on high speed, to try to polish that extra little bit. (ooops) So who needs clearcoat anyway, right?



I also learned that putting a smaller 6" pad on a rotory can burn the paint rather easily, bubbling it up from the heat..



Wet sanding was actually easier than I had imagined. In fact I felt so confident after working on this car, that I wet sanded my entire hood of my 2001 Jeep Grand Cheroke Limited! It came out like glass!!! I took some pics, but its silver and it really didnt look all that special to post here....



My process for wet sanding was to keep the sandpaper wet with soapy water, not pressing too hard and checking my work constantly to make sure I didnt breach the clearcoat. AFter I felt I worked out the problem area, I dried the area and hit it with SSR3 with the rotory and the 6" foam cutting pad. The paint really came up nice. Actually I think since the car was white, it gave me a false sense of actually thinking I knew what i was doing... Anyway, with the sanding I just applied very light even pressure and making sure the paper stayed wet. In some problem areas, i found that after checking my progress, i needed to repeat my sanding 2 or 3 more times before the defect was removed.



It actually seemed easier for me to wet sand the problem area, rather than polish out the problem. It was so much easier to buff out the scratches left behind from the sandpaper, than it was to buff out that horrible finish. I didnt have the control with the machine as I did with my fingers on a thin piece of sandpaper. But again, it was a white car and a silver truck that I've had my lessons on so far. Maybe you should wait until I've wet sanded a black car (this weekend) before anyone listens to what I say...

:nixweiss



Jason, why dont you go on a search of your friends or family or neighbors and find a sad car like my friends. One that is absolutely horrible, one with dents and rust and grime... Offer a free cleaning and try the wet sanding..... I"m sure you'll be happy you did!! Believe me.... once you do it, your concerns will be gone.
 
here's another side shot



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check out the white wall tires:( .... i used Bleach White, but it really didnt help all that much... any suggestions???
 
Outstanding! :bow



I'm just as impressed with how nice the interior cleaned up as with the job you did on the paint.
 
thanks for the kind words..the interior was really quick.. just throw everything in a plastic bag, vacuum and LGCM.



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actually the hardest part of the interior was the darn windows!!! What a film on them!!... I used Castle products for that!!
 
I did my first wet sand several years ago after my van was custom painted. The painter did a nice job and clear coated all the graphics, but never wet sanded it before buffing. I got a hold of a detailer friend of mine and he showed me how to wet sand and then he would buff it out. Originally the paint was rather dull and lots of orange peel in the clear. Once we got through with the sanding and buffing it looked like you could reach inside the paint as it was so deep. One thing I might suggest is to use a small fairly stiff new sponge to wrap the sand paper around. It keeps you from digging into the paint with the fingers and lets you get a lot more consistent finish. The sponge when wet will soften up and allow you to go around the contours. Always avoid sanding to close to the edges, as you found out, the buffer will be a lot more agressive on edges. Your work looks excellent.:xyxthumbs
 
the interior work is as Scottwax says...is impressive.



you certainly are a brave soul with the wet sanding. i used a rotary for the first time just the other day. was so overwhelmed by it that i only did a small portion of my vehicle. then went back to the pc which i am more comfortalbe with.



your results show that your work was well worth the effort. i cannot wait to see your results and opinions when you do a black vehicle.
 
there's gonna be a WI/IL meet in about a month here for autopia guys, and I requested to learn wetsanding and rotary. I even volunteered my beater accord that Ijust got (it's really swirled bad) and once it's done, I'll have the confidence to wetsand my single stage red MR2 that was about to shine up again (do a search, it was faded pretty badly and i burned some edges with the PC and a wool pad using Diamond Cut). The MR2 is shiny now but still very swirled, and I think wetsanding it will level out those swirls/scratches.



great job BTW on the car!
 
David703 said:
got the white walls cleaned with laquer thinner. :D



Very nice wet sanding job ! The paint looks new !



(this question is off topic, sorry)

I have one question about laquer thinner. Doesnt laquer thinner contain Tolulene (the ingredient in model airplane glue that melts/fuses plastic)? Arent you worried about it weakening your sidewalls ? In my experience with Tolulene, I have found it to be insideously destructive to plastics and rubber. I never thought of using it to clean tires. Is this a widespread practice? I know it will take soiled layers off. But is it safe down the road ?
 
mochamanz said:
Very nice wet sanding job ! The paint looks new !



(this question is off topic, sorry)

I have one question about laquer thinner. Doesnt laquer thinner contain Tolulene (the ingredient in model airplane glue that melts/fuses plastic)? Arent you worried about it weakening your sidewalls ? In my experience with Tolulene, I have found it to be insideously destructive to plastics and rubber. I never thought of using it to clean tires. Is this a widespread practice? I know it will take soiled layers off. But is it safe down the road ?



I would not make it a practice to do this. I just couldnt get them clean any other way.. I tried 000 steel wool with no luck. This was a last resort solution..
 
David,



What amazing work! :bow :bow :bow



I am speachless! The before and after of the last side shot is :woot: .



Great job on trying the wet sanding for the first time. The car came out really sweet!



Cheers,
 
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