Trained but not Disciplined

gigondaz

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As a detailing shop owner, I was highly moved by Flyingsolo's unfortunate predicament as described within his thread. It's sad, regrettable and could have affected anyone of us.



My customers have often praised my employees and tipped them heavily, and while I'm not the world's best detailer :razz::razz:, but in the area of Training and Disciplining, I feel proud to have nurtured a group of "nobodies" into "some body"!:razz:



On the contrary, in another country, my friend used to own the first Meg's dealershop/detailing shop in that country. Business was great and all was well. Later, he encountered Flyingsolo's problem of deteriorating work quality that impacted business.



Problem 1:

He was superbly skillful and experienced...but a LOUSY trainer.

Of course, he claimed that he can train very well, as do most employers:razz: But the truth is obvious when another pro sees the way his staff works.



Problem 2:

Loads of money coming in = complacency.

He started to slack off his monitoring and guidance. His staff slowly learned bad working habits from their friends working at local car washes.



Problem 3:

He became enslaved to his employees as they knew he can't do everything by himself, and that he needed them, and they were more skillful than their other "guys out there". This bred the "smartass" attitude amongst his employees. (pls excuse my language).



Problem 4:

More money = closing one eye

Since business is good and customers are not complaining, why bother? Life goes on. From my observation, he was AFRAID to confront his problematic employees who're now almost "pseudo-bosses'. He didn't want to offend them, and risk losing them. Hey...money was coming in!

I knew he was in deep waters.



Problem 5:

Meg's competitors eventually pried away these "relatively more skillfull" but problematic employees, thinking they have struck gold:razz::razz:



As employees left, business dwindled, and he was in no mood to train new recruits. Work performance suffered, and at last, that business's initial image had evaporated. They are now seen as only a polish wax shop.



The proprietor left the business and entered a new industry.



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Learning from that shop's mistake, I vowed never to fall into the same trap.



In my shop, my staff work without any supervision.

6pm the day before: cars arrive for detailing.

8.30am next day: Briefing and work starts.



I'm free to leave the shop after 10.30am when the last cars have been dropped at my shop or collected by their owners, as car owners talk only to me. During the rest of the day, I meet with clients, resprayers, customisers and tuners, and schedule next month's jobs. 4pm, I return to the shop, join my staff to work on the cars and leave at 6pm. I've been in business for 6yrs, and currently, we're always fully booked. Now, we're full until mid-February:drool:



10yrs ago, I was in Corporate Training and I would like to share with you how I do it.



Training.

A skillful, experienced detailer might not be a good trainer.

Most employers will never doubt their own training abilities.

No1 mistake is to immediately show new guys how to do the various tasks.

Heck!! They don't even understand what your business is all about and why you're so concerned with "details"! Many newbies have commented that their new employer is a mad nut who's fanatical bout details over nothing.



My personal approach to a newbie is:



a. Show them what Pro Detailing is.

The first thing I do is to show videos of pro detailers working on cars (Meguiar's early ones are outdated but serves the purpose)

What's the reason for Pro Detailing?

How do the industry pros do it? (video)

This gives them a clear impression that it's not just another car wash doing cheapo polishing jobs. It's a totally different ballgame.



b. Explain the steps and extensive work required.



c. Make them understand that car owners are paying a premium and will demand quality work.



d. Once they have a clear picture in their mind, and the seriousness of the job, they'll understand what their salary requires them to do.



e. Start explaining and demonstrating the different processes. I will stop at the masking stage. Ensure they do the basics with excellence first and don't frighten them with too many details.



f. Monitor closely and provide polite guidance/correction.



Everytime I encounter a nice detailing video, I'll gather all my employees to watch how other pros do the work. To this day, I still show them pics from Autopia! My boys love the Autopia pics of solo mobile detailers doing their jobs, and the B&A pics! This continually reminds them of what professional work is, even for experienced staff.

The videos help inspire the new and motivate the experienced.



I'm a lousy cook.

If I were to dress professionally and work inside an 'open-view' kitchen in a 5 Michelin Star restaurant, it'll be stupidly and embarassingly obvious to most diners.

The way I move, my gestures and actions....they all show I'm not a kitchen person




Patient guidance and constant viewing of detailing videos, and real-life observation of another pro working, will slowly inculcate that professional "style" into a person's working body language. It's slow...but it'll come.





Discipline.

A fantastically-trained staff who generates 1st class results might not be EVERYTHING.

He might not be punctual (affecting your work schedule), regularly goes AWOL, spend too much time chatting, and behave in a non-professional manner. Your customers see these things....and it affects your establishment's image, including yours.



My personal approach to a newbie is:

1. If you're constantly late or go AWOL, your salary will be affected.

2. 100% no loud talking while working. You know exactly what you hv to do, so what's all the loud chatter for?

3. 100% no chatting on their mobile, especially when customer is in the shop.

4. All tools must be cleaned every weekend after shop closes,based on the roster.

5. Status of detailing supplies to be checked every 5days and reported.



The above is not meant to be authoritarian or harsh.

We might be disciplined as business owners.

But our employees are merely working long hours to make a simple living. They might not share our enthusiasm and passion in the business. Drilling them in discipline helps maintain their mindset that the detailing jobs done by this shop is serious shixx:razz:



On the softer side, I also reward my 6 employees with:



1. Free accomodation with 1 room to 1 person!:drool::drool:They share the utilities bill.



2. If we have to work beyond 7pm (4 out of 7days), dinner and drinks will be provided by the cafe next door, and overtime will be paid in CASH immediately.



3. If the last car is completed at 3pm, and will not be collected, and no other cars coming on that day (very rare), they can go home immediately.



Let's face it, our employees are critical. We need them.



Make them see how pros work.

Train them well.

Monitor closely and guide them.

When you start seeing something wrong, rectify immediately.

Project the impression that you're dead-serious, without being an idiot boss.

You don't need to be overly nice...but be humane, courteous and understanding:razz:



And never forget to give compliments if they've done a superb job:razz:
 
Great post! Your comments, if followed, would most likely help this industry retain business and help many prosper in 2011. Too many "technicians" want to own a business, but just end up an employee of their own business and suffer.
 
WCD said:
Great post! Your comments, if followed, would most likely help this industry retain business and help many prosper in 2011. Too many "technicians" want to own a business, but just end up an employee of their own business and suffer.



Thanks WCD! and have a wonderful New Year:wavey
 
Very beautiful job with this write up. I really enjoyed it. As I read I could definately relate to what was being relayed. You seem to be a very wise shop owner. Congrats as it's always challenging finding the cream of the crop from the bottle of the barrel some times. If you provide am enjoyable working environement, ongoing training, empowerment and good pay you can make superstars out of many people.
 
Very good post! I'll be hiring employees soon and have been fortunate enough not only to be called a good teacher but to also know my limits and try and learn more and more. This post helps a lot and your others do as well. Great write up. Thanks.
 
David, LUSTR and WCD...thanks for your kind words.

I always try my best to contribute wherever I can.



Today is a holiday, and my boys want to work(!!). Hey, I want a holiday too...but these guys enjoy doing it, taking pics and showing off their "evil deeds(!!)".



7.45am this morning, I picked up a crappy S-Class Merc and we're working as I'm typing this. The car owner was surprised that we're working on a holiday, and bought Starbucks coffee and donuts for all my boys:drool::drool:
 
Good stuff.



Imho, if you aren't growing/improving, you are hurting yourself. Your competition is hungry for what you have(clients) and they will do everything to get it.



Complacency is a huge killer.
 
Jean-Claude said:
Good stuff.



Imho, if you aren't growing/improving, you are hurting yourself. Your competition is hungry for what you have(clients) and they will do everything to get it.



Complacency is a huge killer.



Yeah, JC....

I've a feeling you have also come a very long way in the detailing world, and have seen lots of stuff. With new paint technologies, and new products appearing all the time, and with customers getting more informed via the Internet, we have to be constantly on our toes:razz:



My reminder to my employees:

Whatever NEW things you learn everyday, no one can ever take it away from you.
 
AH!!!! Thats why I have been working mainly ALONE for over 30 years. Responsible for everything I do!!!!! ALONE!!!!! It does put a ceiling on what you can earn....but well worth the price. I have trained over 50 people.....TWO have their shops in my area. They are NOT my competitors.....I would train them again. In fact I was VERY happy to help them. The irony is both shops are having trouble finding quality help. Even in this horrible economy. You can train all you want....good work ethics begin at home at a very young age. Paintxpert
 
paintxpert said:
AH!!!! Thats why I have been working mainly ALONE for over 30 years. Responsible for everything I do!!!!! ALONE!!!!! It does put a ceiling on what you can earn....but well worth the price. I have trained over 50 people.....TWO have their shops in my area. They are NOT my competitors.....I would train them again. In fact I was VERY happy to help them. The irony is both shops are having trouble finding quality help. Even in this horrible economy. You can train all you want....good work ethics begin at home at a very young age. Paintxpert



Every business in every profession has trouble "finding" quality help. The truth is, what gigondaz has pointed out, you need to be more concerned with developing quality help then finding it.



Great post, gigondaz!
 
MichaelM said:
Every business in every profession has trouble "finding" quality help. The truth is, what gigondaz has pointed out, you need to be more concerned with developing quality help then finding it.



Great post, gigondaz!



Thanks Mike.

No one is born with the right set of skills and aptitude for any job. It must be learned.

And it's up to business owners to train these skills and to inculcate the desired attitude into their employees.
 
I've been reading a few of these threads lately and I feel like I am on the other end of the spectrum. I love cars and I always have, I started out wrenching but slowly gained a desire to clean and protect my cars properly. I basically detail cars on the side because while I believe my skills have come a long way I still have a lot to learn, especially in the area of machine polishing. After working for the Bucks County Court system for the last six months I do not have much desire to be a desk jockey the rest of my life or at least I would like to do something physical during part of the week. I would love to have a chance to work for some of you, even if it just meant answering a phone. I have considered applying at some of the dealers but I would rather learn to do things in quality rather than quantity.
 
well since this was about my post i will say.. you can say it was maybe my bad training.. lack of supervision ..etc.. regardless of the scenario.. it was all just happening way to fast and the customer was hurting in the end because my quality was going down because i was trying to meet deadlines and train at the same time.. and polish...promote..make biz decisions .. the list goes on.. the reason i pulled the plug on the company and go back to going solo were for a couple reasons.. not just bad employees pushing me over the edge.



1 the reason i took the big leap and work for myself full time was because after i got laid off i made a promise to myself not to work for anyone ever again.. even through the thickest of times when work was dead and i was eating beans out of a can i have never been happier since i have ventured out on my own...no amount of money can take that sense of freedom away from me.



2 there were so many hoops to jump through with this company to try to get it to grow and it was just head ache after head ache.. currently in my personal life i have been simplifying everything.. i recently sold all my possessions.. got rid of my apartment and camp out in my truck.. i work on cars all day … make my $$$ and just crash at night.. my days off consist of beautiful days in the park or working out the gym.

I wanted to make this a franchise maybe and be the goto guy for all my customers automotive needs.. And maybe I still will be that guy some day.. But as of right now.. The company was just dragging me deeper in debt and also taking my mother down with me.. And that’s when I decided to go solo.. Work hard.. Keep my cash.. Pay off my debt and then decide what I want to do from there.. .Hell I may never want to come back to the normal every day life.. I may be that detail guy that sleeps in his truck but does outstanding work and you can always rely on him.



Word has spread this fast and I have not spent a dime on advertisement.. Its all been my customers referring me.. So whats the different if I do it solo or as a company.



Not much has changed.. Yes I cannot get to more than one detail in one day right now.. But probably around summer time I can get two done in a day.. And all that money will be going in my pocket.. I will be one tired MOFO.. But at least I know the job is getting done right.



TO EACH THEIR OWN RIGHT.. LIFE IS SHORT.. DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.. NO MATTER HOW CRAZY IT SOUNDS
 
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