Tire Dressing and differing results

Dan

Dan

Well-known member
So many of you know that I really love Mother's FX tire shine. Its been great on so many cars for me... until I got my new Wrangler with Goodyears. The first rain, and its GONE! I gave Hyperdressing a try, and it makes it past a few rains and the tires look great!. And it has been the least durable stuff for me. Optibond also seems to do well.



Sometimes this stuff is just maddening!:hairpull



Thinking of trying Tuf Shine and Perl....
 
It is likely that the Goodyears were recently produced, had not set about in storage, etc. The "UV protective wax" that is part of the sidewall makes it hard for a water borne dressing to attach to most new tires.

Give them a couple of months of driving and setting in the sun, some of the wax will do as it is supposed to and evaporate from the tire and the dressing will be able to find some pores to bind to.
 
FWIW.... Zaino Z16. I've not purchased any other product since trying this seven-eight years ago, so there certainly could be something better. But you can have my Z16 when you pry it from my cold dead applicator hand. :)
 
Ron Ketcham said:
It is likely that the Goodyears were recently produced, had not set about in storage, etc. The "UV protective wax" that is part of the sidewall makes it hard for a water borne dressing to attach to most new tires.

Give them a couple of months of driving and setting in the sun, some of the wax will do as it is supposed to and evaporate from the tire and the dressing will be able to find some pores to bind to.
Click to expand...



I think you might be spot on! The tires do seem to have this grey film on them. Will a good tire cleaner remove that stuff?



VroomVroom said:
FWIW.... Zaino Z16. I've not purchased any other product since trying this seven-eight years ago, so there certainly could be something better. But you can have my Z16 when you pry it from my cold dead applicator hand. :)
Click to expand...



I have Z16, haven't tried it on these tires yet, its a product I don't seem to get. It works well, but it doesn't blow me away either.



Juan@Turbo Wax said:
Dan, let me know if you like to give ours a try :)
Click to expand...



I might look you up if a good scrubbing doesn't work and the stuff I have doesn't work. After writing the above post, I pulled the trigger on PERL.... now up to 10 dressings...yikes.
 
Any quality all purpose, but use "hot water" and a tire brush. That will remove most of it, however, one does not wish to get to carried away as the wax in the tire is very important to it's longivity.

 
What do people like about Perl as opposed to Z16? The latter has been my choice for ages now, but as I near the end of the case, well...this might be the time to start considering alternatives. I'm after the matte-to-satin range "new rubber" look, *NOT* something shiny, and durability is a must as I'm not gonna reapply after every wash.
 
Basic "tire dressing" chemistry 101.

Majority, if not all "water borne" dressings use a PDMS resin as the dressing, that is a polydimethalsiloxane resin. Many chemical manufacturers produce the resin. Main difference between most is the percentage of resin blended into the water carrier/solvent. Some may add a thickner to produce a product that is more pleasing to the consumer, others may add a fragrance and or dye. There are a couple other minor additives that may be added, but basically, all are the same other than the resin content. The resin, depending on it's quality, may vary depending on the raw material supplier.

A "solvent borne" dressing uses the dimethal silicone resin (commonly referred to as oil or flluid), and mixed into a hydrocarbon solvent to gain supension and to carry the resin to the surface to be dressed.

The dimethal silicone based is the type that gives the high, short term, shine and a "greasy" surface.

When applying a PDMS water borne, the tire must be clean and dry. Water on the tire dilutes the resin, not allowing enough to actually attach to the tire.

Best method for application according to Dow Chemical, a major supplier of quality resins, is to have a clean and dry tire. Apply one coat, perferably with a sponge applicator. Allow to set and dry, than apply a second coating to gain longer term life of the dressing.

Once ther resin has set/dryed, lightly buff with a towel to further set the resin.
 
PERL is one of few, the only one I personally know that comes as a concentrate, you dilute it to the level you want. I make it 50:50 for tires but you can adjust for the look your after. PERL uses water based "silicon oxide" which I am unsure if differs from classic PDMS as the resin I use it mostly because it's a concentrate and the glossy but not overkill glossy look I get.
 
I use Tuff Shine on my daily driver and there is nothing like it. Its not affected by rain, soap, pressure washing, or wheel cleaners (surfactants). It just always looks great and never wears off. Its like what a coating it to paint.



Initial application is tricky, after that your home free. No more brown gunk on the tires. Cleaning tires becomes like cleaning paint - just use soap and water.



For conventional dressings I really like Poor Boys BnB and Natural Look.
 
Bill D said:
PERL is one of few, the only one I personally know that comes as a concentrate, you dilute it to the level you want. I make it 50:50 for tires but you can adjust for the look your after. PERL uses water based "silicon oxide" which I am unsure if differs from classic PDMS as the resin I use it mostly because it's a concentrate and the glossy but not overkill glossy look I get.
Click to expand...



With respect to Car pro, 'silicon dioxide' or 'silica' in a product like this is rather stretching the marketing truth! It is predominantly a product based around what Ron discusses (although I might point out that most in the industry consider these as polymers, not resins - resins are actually a thing, but they cost 10x more). Yup, perl may contains some other things (every product does), but the base, from the msds, is very clearly a PDMS emulsion.
 
Dan--don't give up on the FX. I put on a new set of Pirelli tires a few months ago and had the same problem. According to the manufacturing date they were only two months old and I had a heck of a time with the FX staying on more than a couple of weeks. Without any heavy cleaning they have gradually gotten better with time to the point they now hold the FX well.
 
Bill D said:
PERL is one of few, the only one I personally know that comes as a concentrate, you dilute it to the level you want... I use it mostly because it's a concentrate and the glossy but not overkill glossy look I get.
Click to expand...



Thanks for the added info. Honestly, it doesn't sound like the right product for me though.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top