Thinking of trying Zymol Carbon, but have questions

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Since I always like to try different polishes and waxes from time to time, I've been thinking of trying out some Zymol. No not the $150+ stuff. I've been looking at the Zymol Carbon since it is for darker cars. I've never touched Zymol before, so maybe some of you all with past experiences could chime in. Is there a specific apllication process that works better with these types fo Zymol waxes over the conventional waxes? Should it be allowed to sit much longer than most LSPs? Is this more of a boutique shine that will wash off after a couple washes, or is it a durable LSP? How long of durability could I expect?
 
Holden_C04 said:
I believe Carbon is a TW product. Better to look elsewhere, imho.
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No, Carbon is one of the paste waxes from Zymol (not the TW Zymol you find at Target etc). In fact it's the first wax I ever bought back in 2000.



It's nice, smells like coconut if I remember right. I prefer sealants these days.



ZYMOL CARBON WAX 8 oz
 
Hello!



This wax is the Zymol people often say cheaper products are better then. I have Japon which is very smiliar.



Its a really nice wax, it wont give you a really wet finish, they type i might consider to be faux. It will give you an upmarket wet look, like an icecube that start to melt and is wet but not dripping. It has good sharp reflections and lasts about 5 weeks before you start to loose the looks and beading.



Its a really nice treat and i know if you look around on Autobarn or that other cheap detailing supplies site (google zymol Carbon and it will come up) i think they had it for $10-$12 less then RRP.



I have Japon, similar stuff (blue, almost the same price) and no regrets.



I think David Fermani uses this product on some his details as well, its for darker paints and has nothing to do with TW.



Geoff
 
I have Carbon and Titanium, I would definitely spend a few more dollars and get titanium, it's my nuba of choice at the moment...
 
I like using Carbon because it's super easy to apply/remove and improves the look a tiny bit. I put 2 layers on my black metallic minivan and it made it sparkle very nice, but because I'm in Florida, it didn't last very long at all (maybe 4 weeks). I pretty much use it a topper over sealants. I propbably wouldn't buy another Carbon (or Zymol) again because of the learning curve (no help from their Tech Support either) and durability. There's nubas that are cheaper, that are probably just a good. We'll see?
 
David Fermani said:
I like using Carbon because it's super easy to apply/remove and improves the look a tiny bit. I put 2 layers on my black metallic minivan and it made it sparkle very nice, but because I'm in Florida, it didn't last very long at all (maybe 4 weeks). I pretty much use it a topper over sealants. I propbably wouldn't buy another Carbon (or Zymol) again because of the learning curve (no help from their Tech Support either) and durability. There's nubas that are cheaper, that are probably just a good. We'll see?
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I'm falling into a terrible pattern of agreeing with David Fermani. ;)



Zymol makes good wax. Whether or not it's worth the price you have to pay for it is the topic of hundreds of pages here in Autopia land. But I agree with David. There are products that are as good or better, and *alot* cheaper. Now I'm not saying I'm not happy with my Vintage purchase. I am *very* happy with my Vintage purchase. It fills the exact need and expectations I have for it. However, alot of Zymols products just aren't worth the price. (And alot of people here feel that Vintage is one of those. I can't really argue with them, honestly.) If you're not going to be excersizing your free refill rights *alot* with Vintage, it's probably not worth the cash. Most of their line below Vintage is just flat out too expensive for what you get. IMHO, of course. A really great example of this is Todd's P21S 100% thread. Great example of a product that beats the snot out of pretty much everything around and does it at a great price. Kinda makes Zymol look silly, really.
 
What about Lusso Oro? It gets good reviews every time someone tries it, but not the band-width that other waxes get.
 
I'll (once again) have to be the dissenter of this discussion, in that all of the authentic zymols (starting with carbon and all the way up to the estate wax line) are potent waxes that IMO will compete very well with their similarly priced competitors.



What might be a benefit in carbon's case is that it is a reasonably priced "Authentic" zymol that has shown incredible depth of shine that can rival the more expensive zymols.



There will always be cases where you could reach an objective in a cheaper way; The only way anyone will know for sure is to compare. Carbon is a great wax to use as a starting point in comparing it with other waxes. I'd give it a shot, and compare with some other brands and let the live results do the talking!
 
as much as i do agree that zymol isnt worth the coin you have to shell out for it... i just would LOVE to see a crystal case in my fridge! After i sell 2 of my cars and buy another newer one im saving for zymol vintage. I have managed to persuade my dad that it is kindof an investment. I can buy it for 2,000 then use it and then sell it for probably about 1,800. Also, it is great for advertising. And being able to say i am 1 of probably 10 people (or less) in the state of VA with this wax is a cool thing to say to potential clients.



Sorry if i got off topic.





I own titanium and like it. However that is the only higher end wax ive tried.
 
Souveran, P21s100%, Collonite #845, #915, #476, Clear Kote Vanilla Moose, Meguiars #26, Meguiars #16, Victoria's Wax > Carbon



For the price there is really a whole bunch of better looking waxes...
 
Here are 6 waxes that are better then Zymol Carbon and cheaper

Victoria wax

Worlds best wax

Lusso Orro

GG 50/50

Souvern

Wet Opsession (new wax and really good)
 
TH0001 said:
Souveran, P21s100%, Collonite #845, #915, #476, Clear Kote Vanilla Moose, Meguiars #26, Meguiars #16, Victoria's Wax > Carbon



For the price there is really a whole bunch of better looking waxes...
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I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on why you think Collonite 845 is better than Carbon, other than the durability factor. After applying 845 I was less than impressed with the depth and shine of the finish afterwards.
 
I've never used Carbon and have no opinions about it, but some of the waxes that're being compared to it look *completely* different on my vehicles...so I dunno how you can say they look better/worse than Carbon or anything else.. IMO they're just *too different* for that kind of comparison :think:
 
Carbon is a good wax and easy to use. It's not that durable, though. Probably only a month or so. I'd be inclined to try some of the similar, but cheaper options (S100 comes to mind).
 
Some of you all have said that the Carbon is not that durable, are you refering to the durability of how long it lasts or how it protects? How is it against resisting the environmental elements, especially etching from bird crap, bugs, and water?
 
shine said:
What's in Carbon that makes it "for darker colors"? Will it make lighter paint colors appear darker?
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Oils! Its the oils that give each marquee specific wax that specificness so to speak.



AN example: Zymol Ital has oils which work much better with soild colours as most Ferraris are Black, Red or Yellow.



Japon; Alot of the Japanese cars are designed with paint either metalic or pearl in mind. The oils in Japon are lot like those in RMG, they enhance pop as opposed to increasing depth. Its not they say dont increase depth, its just its focus is else where.



The Porsche wax was designed to be very much in touch with darker colours (has a different nuba mix to Carbon).



Of course all of this is a bit off in many respects as most of this wax is probably sold in America and you know that even if you had all the colours in the rainbow to choose from 80% of you would still choose white :LOLOL.



But when you think to those specific brands and the cars that are used to display those brands then the colours the oils in the Zymol waxes were designed for are what give them there names.



Obviously there are non specific branded waxes from Zymol as well which are much more diverse and compliment all the colours. Likewise, you can still use Ital or a red Camero which would look great, you can apply Ital to a silver Honda but it wont have such focus on metalic pop.



Geoff
 
RedlineIRL said:
Some of you all have said that the Carbon is not that durable, are you refering to the durability of how long it lasts or how it protects? How is it against resisting the environmental elements, especially etching from bird crap, bugs, and water?
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You make a very good point and one that is often over looked on here. For me, Japon which is similar will start loose its looks after about 5 weeks and beading will also diminish. About about 7 weeks it starts to fail the squeek test on my horizontal panels.



I have in the first 4-5 weeks Zymol to be effect at making bugs easy to wash off and that which it takes a kicking from birdcrap i havent had etching issues it.



Geoff
 
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