imported_Aurora40
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I've been using MPPP for a bit now because it is Meguiar's longest-lasting protectant. I was using the Medallion Cleaner (as necessary)/#7/MPPP and recently added #26 on top of MPPP. I've noticed that their documentation of MPPP was a little weird, though. It is almost referred to as a one-step. And the bottle doesn't mention using a polish first, just using Medallion Cleaner if necessary. Now this doesn't conclude it's a one-step, but it's a little fishy. In detailing my dad's Regal GS which was a dark green, I noticed that (after using Medallion Cleaner) the #7 really brought out a great depth, and it also took the edge off of the deep swirls and scratches that were still there. Many of the swirls dissappeared with the #7, and many of the biggies looked much softer and less noticeable after the #7. I then applied MPPP and all those swirls were back, and the big scratches were very noticeable again. It also seemed like some of the depth was gone. I thought maybe the depth was just an illusion, though, and that maybe the protectant just magnifies the scratches a bit.
However, I was skeptical enough that I called Meguiar's and confirmed MPPP was a pure protectant and that it wasn't removing the #7. I'd also noticed others on Autopia claim to use MPPP over #7 and that Meguiar's had told them it would be fine too.
I then stripped my car with Dawn and applied some #7 to it (the surface was already well-prepped). The #7 brought out a deep gloss (which makes me want to hold off on trying BF or Platinum) and it did hide the few very light swirls that were in my paint. I looked very closely at the swirls and then again after the #7 to ensure it was happening. Well, then I applied two coats of MPPP and later a coat of #26. After the first coat of MPPP I looked at the paint and sure enough, all those swirls were back. It also seemed to lose some of the depth it had, but again I thought that could just be in my head (but the swirls weren't). If I didn't know better, I'd swear the MPPP was removing the #7. The coats of #26 brought back a lot of the depth, and the car looked better than it ever has. However, I still felt like it could look better (as it did with just the #7). This again got me thinking I should try BF or Platinum (and one of these days I probably will).
Then yesterday the Meguiars Product Guide I'd ordered showed up. It is great, and much better than any previous catalogs they've had (I also like the new abrasion index on the actual bottles of product). While I was reading through it, something jumped out at me. Here is the description of Medallion Premium Paint Protection (emphasis added):
- Cleans, polishes and protects even the most delicate finish
- Feed and conditions paint to reveal pure deep color with unsurpassed brilliance and clarity
- Maximum protection with our exclusive bonding system
Well, needless to say, that shed some light on what I'd been experiencing. I like the MPPP, but that's the last time I'll use it after #7. From now on my personal car is getting Medallion Cleaner as necessary followed by #7 and then #26. So now I feel like I want to strip my car again (a mere one week later) and redo the #7 followed by #26 to see if I can get the depth I want. I'd actually done three family members' cars with cleaner/#7/MPPP with some degree of effort. That pisses me off that the help line was wrong, but gives me some hope I can achieve my goals with Meguiar's products. I'll continue to use the MPPP on family members' cars because it's already on there and it is long-lasting. Plus, they were all happy with the results.
Interestingly, #20 Polymer Sealant doesn't say anything at all about having cleaners or polishes, despite what many Autopians and myself have been told. I suspect maybe the cheat-sheet the sales reps have is wrong. In my opinion it would make more sense for the MPPP to be an all-in-one than it would for #20 to. If you are buying a gallon of #20, you want a sealant and that's all. The Medallion is in the professional line, but not exactly. I mean, it's different than the other products. The rest of the Professional line does pretty much exactly what it says it does.
However, I was skeptical enough that I called Meguiar's and confirmed MPPP was a pure protectant and that it wasn't removing the #7. I'd also noticed others on Autopia claim to use MPPP over #7 and that Meguiar's had told them it would be fine too.
I then stripped my car with Dawn and applied some #7 to it (the surface was already well-prepped). The #7 brought out a deep gloss (which makes me want to hold off on trying BF or Platinum) and it did hide the few very light swirls that were in my paint. I looked very closely at the swirls and then again after the #7 to ensure it was happening. Well, then I applied two coats of MPPP and later a coat of #26. After the first coat of MPPP I looked at the paint and sure enough, all those swirls were back. It also seemed to lose some of the depth it had, but again I thought that could just be in my head (but the swirls weren't). If I didn't know better, I'd swear the MPPP was removing the #7. The coats of #26 brought back a lot of the depth, and the car looked better than it ever has. However, I still felt like it could look better (as it did with just the #7). This again got me thinking I should try BF or Platinum (and one of these days I probably will).
Then yesterday the Meguiars Product Guide I'd ordered showed up. It is great, and much better than any previous catalogs they've had (I also like the new abrasion index on the actual bottles of product). While I was reading through it, something jumped out at me. Here is the description of Medallion Premium Paint Protection (emphasis added):
- Cleans, polishes and protects even the most delicate finish
- Feed and conditions paint to reveal pure deep color with unsurpassed brilliance and clarity
- Maximum protection with our exclusive bonding system
Well, needless to say, that shed some light on what I'd been experiencing. I like the MPPP, but that's the last time I'll use it after #7. From now on my personal car is getting Medallion Cleaner as necessary followed by #7 and then #26. So now I feel like I want to strip my car again (a mere one week later) and redo the #7 followed by #26 to see if I can get the depth I want. I'd actually done three family members' cars with cleaner/#7/MPPP with some degree of effort. That pisses me off that the help line was wrong, but gives me some hope I can achieve my goals with Meguiar's products. I'll continue to use the MPPP on family members' cars because it's already on there and it is long-lasting. Plus, they were all happy with the results.
Interestingly, #20 Polymer Sealant doesn't say anything at all about having cleaners or polishes, despite what many Autopians and myself have been told. I suspect maybe the cheat-sheet the sales reps have is wrong. In my opinion it would make more sense for the MPPP to be an all-in-one than it would for #20 to. If you are buying a gallon of #20, you want a sealant and that's all. The Medallion is in the professional line, but not exactly. I mean, it's different than the other products. The rest of the Professional line does pretty much exactly what it says it does.
