The Thirst For Knowledge- Good / Bad?

Beemerboy

Just One More Coat
In light of recent threads, something struck me about reading up about detailing. One poster talked about pad density in relationship to the abrasives of the polish the PH balance in soaps, etc.

It got me thinking about those braineacts that write up equations on a chalk board that look like Albert Einstein did it:D

What really stuck me was, is there a fine balance in reading about detailing -vs- practical hands on application.

For me over the last 30 years or so, I've not read much about detailing...until the invention of the net. There simply wasn't that much in print that I knew of, so hand on experience was all that I had to learn by.

Today I think there is a fine line in reading up about what others are doing, DC has opened my eyes to lots of products and processes that I hadn't considered or knew about.

I stand firm in that there is no substitution for hands on experience. Nothing will teach you faster about a rotary buffer when you realize how fast you can burn threw paint with it...(don't ask:D)

The same is true when you used an acid based wheel cleaner for the first time on clear coated or polished aluminum rims :eek::eek:

I guess you could have read about this prior, but would that give you the experience?

I tend to think not.:)

Is understand the exact temperature at which PB SSR2.5 starts to break down important? and why? or that you know from experience that your Edge polishing pad with your rotary spinning at 1200 RPM with a quarter sized amount and four passes over the panel take the swirls out?


I guess that for me, with the years that I have in detailing, when I read about a process or product. I can apply that in my detailing but the hands on experience greatly helps me to understand it better. The knowledge itself is not enough is what I am saying

My question to DCers is understanding the detail process from an academic stand point important than the actual hands on experience? or is there a fine line between the two?
 
I for one, Read and read and read and armed myself with a lot of academic knowledge before putting the pad to the paint, But all that knowledge did not prevent me from making some mistakes. I had the knowledge but very little experience. A few years later I have a few dozen full details under my belt and have gained a lot more experience. I believe that had I not studied the experience of detailers such as yourself and the other members here, I would have surely made more and bigger mistakes. I also believe that without total newbies (who do not yet have even a clue) asking questions about processes and products, those of you with more experience would not really have much reason to be so generous in sharing it. So to sum things up, I for one believe that the two definately compliment each other. So from me a BIG thanks to all who share on this site new and old. TD
 
Very true Dave!

The net has provided a wealth of reading and forums like this provide areas for us all to learn from.

Back in the olden days..:D

There wasn't much to read up on...maybe some auto magazines or an occasional article in a news paper...at least that was all I could find.

Even finding good detailing supplies was a challenge, unless you lived in a larger city..I didn't so the OTC was all I had...lucky for me I learned that the body shops where the best place to look and made friends with those guys and then had access to more pro-level products..But how to use them?

hands on baby!
 
I think there are three "levels" (for lack of a better word) here. One would be the learning online about detailing processes by reading how others do it, second would be actually doing this and getting hands on experience, and third would be what Todd posted about understanding how the actually processes work.

For example, #1 above would be me reading I should use SIP and 106ff on an orange and a white pad, respectively, to polish out defects on a certain car in a certain condition.

#2 is me actually getting my polisher, polishes and pads out, cleaning up the car and doing the process of polishing.

#3 is me wondering why and how the polish just removed the defects from the paint and learning more about it.

I can easily relate this to watching a TV... (keep in mind I have no clue about how TVs actually work and this is a simple comparison)

#1 read the manual for the TV and the remote
#2 press the power button on the remote, change channels, play with settings, etc.
#3 learn how electrons fly around in the back and how the images are projected onto the screen and/or even learn about how the battery is powering your remote or how the remote itself works..


That said, I do think hands on experience is something that can't be replace with either #1 or #3, and you really can't do anything good with only knowledge gained from #1 or #3, but I do think it's important to take learning to that next level that Todd mentioned and something I've personally done, not nearly as much as him though haha... just looked into some pad densities and angular velocity.
 
You should always try to understand what you're doing and your education should never stop. I think understanding the process - even down to the molecular level - only makes you better. Given the choice to pick between two folks who can do the exact same work when one is educated and other is not, I would pick the educated person 100% of the time.
 
You should always try to understand what you're doing and your education should never stop. I think understanding the process - even down to the molecular level - only makes you better. Given the choice to pick between two folks who can do the exact same work when one is educated and other is not, I would pick the educated person 100% of the time.

True as long as they have hands on.

I have seen too many people that are book smart but don't have a lick of experience. Not good.
 
Thirst is good...more hands on is better. I want more hands on. From what I have seen, you do not always see the entire truth in these videos posted on Youtube, etc.

For example, the book says "PO85 and black pad will jewel the paint". OK. What if you do it and it does not. What do you do?
 
MY TAKE,

YOU Gotta know whats what about the products like all have said before this.YOU also hands down gotta know how to use the tools to do the job.Book smart is not enough to carry you through the entire process.Its like most anything you gotta do it before you can fully understand it.

Knowing about paints and clears is valuable info also.Some have said here "this is not rocket science"BUT I WOULD HATE TO GIVE A MONKEY MY BUFFER AND LET HIM PRACTICE ON MY CARS.:yikes:
 
True as long as they have hands on.

I have seen too many people that are book smart but don't have a lick of experience. Not good.

I think you missed the jest of my post - given two identical Ron's who are capable of of performing the same task - the one with the greater education gets the nod each and every time. This is assuming both can do the job at hand "ability wise." The one who knows the process better - the one with better understanding - is the best choice.
 
I think you missed the jest of my post - given two identical Ron's who are capable of of performing the same task - the one with the greater education gets the nod each and every time. This is assuming both can do the job at hand "ability wise." The one who knows the process better - the one with better understanding - is the best choice.

2 Rons ?!?!?!?

This world couldn't handle 2 of me.
 
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